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Talkin' Ted Lasso - Chillin' with Tyler Hixson

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Ted Lasso has been one of the most successful television shows (objectively) of 2020. The unbridled positivity and optimism of this AppleTV+ original series has immediately made it a cult classic with fans. Nominated for two Golden Globes, Ted Lasso has already been renewed for a second and third season. On this episode of the podcast, Andrew connects with Tyler Hixson (host of the Strangers Worth Meeting podcast) to chat about the underlying philosophy of the show. They also chat about:

  • Whether or not AFC Richmond will be the next Mighty Ducks
  • Their shared inexperience with the rules of European football
  • When is enough enough, in terms of television seasons
  • They also revisit Andrew’s review of The Queen’s Gambit

In addition to hosting Strangers Worth Meeting, Tyler is a full-time traveler with his wife, as they trek around the country and run their own business. They are currently filming a documentary about their nomad lifestyle, which you can follow on Instagram @wildhixsons

Follow Tyler on Instagram @thixsonlife
Check out Strangers Worth Meeting
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What's going on? Guys, welcome back to Pod flicks and chill, now a part of the pod fix network. As always, I am your host, Andrew, and on today's episode we are talking about the Apple TV plus original Comedy Series Ted Lasso, starring Jason Sadagis. Now today I am joined by strangers worth meeting podcast host Tyler Hickson, and Tyler is actually the person who got me interested in checking out Ted Lasso. I was fortunate enough to be a guest on his show strangers worth meeting back in November, where he told me about the show and how great it was. So I took a chance and he was not wrong. The show is so upbeat and energetic and positive and I think that it came along at a point in time that was really needed. It premiered on Apple TV plus last August in the middle of a global pandemic, and I think it really inspired and touched a lot of people. If you haven't seen it yet or don't have an apple TV plus subscription, you are missing out. If you haven't taken advantage of your apple devices free trial of Apple TV plus, you are missing out. Tyler and I dive into the philosophy of Ted's life and coaching style. We talked about some of our favorite characters and some of our favorite messages that appear throughout the show and whether or not the football club AFC Richmond is going to become the next mighty ducks. Friendly reminder that Pod flicks and chill merch is now available on our website. You can head to wwwopods and chilcom and click the store button. If you support the show and you want to grab some gear, let us know by taking a picture and tagging us so that we can repost it on our feed and show our support for your support. Last but not least, if you have an idea for an original series or a movie that you'd like to hear me cover on a future episode, or if you'd like to come on the show and Co host with me about said series or movie, let me know. You can send me a message on social media at Pod flicks, the letter N and chill on Instagram and twitter, or you can head to the website and click the microphone button in the bottom right hand quarter send me a prerecorded voice message. That just might get featured on a future episode of the show, but for now I hope you guys enjoy talking Ted Lasso with Tyler Hickson of the strangers worth meeting podcast. All right, tyler, welcome to pod flicks and chill. How are you, sir? I'm great, man. Thanks for having me on your show. I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited as well. You actually sort of introduced me to Ted Lastso, but when we spoke on your podcast a little while back. So I want to know what drew you to the show specifically and, after watching it, what's sort of like resonated with you. Yeah, man, I think when we did our episode of my show I had just watched it or something. I must have been really hyped about it and I just rewatched it for today, so it's all fresh, it's all good to go. The thing that drew me to it was, I think my iphone crapped out and I had to get a new one and when you get a new iphone they give you a free year of Apple TV. So that's what drew me to Ted Lasso. Was the free nature of that show. Actually, no, but truly I love Jason Sedakis. I think he's fucking hilarious and I thought this was a decent premise and honestly, once you watch the first episode you're just in. I mean I gave it a shot because I like him, and then you see one episode of that show and just grabs you. So I just I just got hooked by it, man. I got hooked by the message. Yeah, it is such an overwhelmingly positive message. And what I didn't realize, because I did a little episode of Prep for today, that the character of Ted Lasso is actually he created that for a Promo for NBC sports back in like two thousand and thirteen, when the premier league was starting to air in the US. It's actually like a little skit that he put together for MBC, which I had now. That's awesome. That's so cool. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it doesn't seem like it's out of thin air. It's like it's such a well put together character. You know, I can imagine he's said that in his head for you have several years now, I guess. Yeah, it was. I watched it because they did one in two thousand and thirteen and then when the premier league was coming back the second year, they did another skit with Ted Lasso. He's not quite as I don't want to say dim because the care her ted isn't really dim but he's I don't think he's as fleshed out as we see him in the show. But they were still really funny skits and what I also noticed that a lot of the jokes that came from those spots were built into the show, like the fact that all of the Premier League fans call him wanker. You know that he doesn't understand what off sides is, and...

...pretty much the entire press conference where you know he's saying, Oh, we're going to play hard for four quarters and they're like two halves like that. All of that is in that Promo, which I thought was pretty great. Yeah, man, this this podcast, just so I'd get the nature of it. It's it's more for people who, at least this episode is probably for people who've already seen the show. Right, like I'm hoping that it's not, because I wouldn't want to spoil this for anybody who hasn't seen this show yet. Right it is it like half and half? I think it's half and half, because the from what I get out of Apple TV is that a lot of people still haven't bit the bullet and checked it out yet. Even the people who get the free subscriptions. So the the podcast and this episode in particular are are twofold there to help people try to find what they like, their next favorite show, but it's also just to geek out and talk about Ted last so so we don't have to get into like the specifics of the last episode specifically, but we I mean, you can still talk about like your favorite moments or favorite jokes or anything like that. I don't you know, I don't care. Wonderful, yeah, but I think it's one of those shows that you can talk about on a conceptual level without having to get into the plot, because that's what Ted Lasso is to me, is that he's like he's like pure walking philosophy, you know, he's like a pure walking Buddha, I mean and and what's Nice in the show is that you see like a very human side of him, to a flawed side, a side that has problems in his inner personal life, but as a coach he represents this one philosophy and he does it so well that you can't help but like him. And that's I mean, that's what happens in the show for everybody, and I think it happens for the viewers too. Yeah, there's definitely like a lot of human components to him that resonate on so many different levels. But, like you said, there's just that you know, philosophy that he holds to. It kind of reminded me, almost when I was watching the MEC sports promos, of a Michael Scott from the office, like he just is so passionate about dunder Mifflin and so passionate about paper and his employees and he like he would live, breathe and die for them, basically, and that's kind of Ted with his players and I kind of saw certain parallels with that. Yeah, that's the thing that you learned to love about Michael Scott is that for some reason he is a phenomenal salesman. I mean we, I think we see that for the first time. What in like the episode where they go to Chili's and he plays it perfect and he nails that sale and you don't, you don't see it coming because he's such a fool. But I think I don't, I don't necessarily see Ted Lasso as being a fool. I think the I think the accident is supposed to throw you and I think if you're like a posh English person, it really throws you and that's the thing that he has to kind of overcome with them. But I think that man sees everything. I think he I think he sees exactly what's going to happen when he shows up and how everybody's going to influence each other. And I think the reason I feel that is I don't know if you remember this line, but my favorite character in the show, honestly, I think, is Roy Kent, the one of the footballers who really sort of comes around of this philosophy, and I really identified with that guy because I've got those tendencies to be like really angry but then also be like ah, but fuck it, you're right, you know what I mean, when someone speaks true to me right, and Ted last so as a line where he says, if we're going to if we're going to do something here, the first domino that needs to fall is right in that man's heart, and that line tells me everything I need to know about how Ted Lasso is picturing the future here and he sees how this is going to happen. I think that I think he's I think he's less of a fool than then. We're, you know, kind of led to believe at the beginning. You know. Yeah, I completely agree, and he's got some killer dance moves to from that idea. Yes, the what he's doing? Like a running man, isn't he of some sort? It's something. Yeah, some sort of running man. I know I couldn't probably throw something out or break something if I try. Yeah, he had to stretch for that one, for sure, but most don'tly, you probably know more about the show than I do, but I was curious, like, is the entire rest of the supporting cast all actually British actors, because it seems like they are. They sure have the accents nail, but I didn't know for sure. I didn't do too many deep dives into it. I'm fairly certain the the nate character is, I think his name is Nick Mohammad, because he voiced piglet in the two thousand and Eighteen Christopher Robin movie and he's in a he's in another, like peacock original series with David swimmer of all people, where David swimmer goes over to England. I think him tries to work with like am I six, so I'm pretty sure he's at the very least British,...

...but I didn't I didn't look into too many other characters. I do know that the guy who plays coach beard, Brendan Hunt, one of my favorite characters in the show. I loved coach beard because, if you want to talk stoic like he just, you know, his expressions said everything and he had occasional moments of him just like losing it and flipping out. Um, but he was one of the CO creators of the show and actually starred with Jason Sedekis in those NBC Sports Promos, so he's been with them all like the whole ride. Basically gotch that makes sense? Yeah, well, I feel like when I see that character, that coach beard character, I get right away. It makes me think of I don't know if you ever saw this. Several years ago there was like a Ted talk video that was about how leadership works from the first follower and the idea was that like you can't ever like lead a movement until that first person says yeah, guys, he's right, and that's what can essentially sort of turn a crowd to get behind you. Was Really Awesome Ted talk and I think that that is to me like that's the benefit of that character for someone like Ted Lasso, because he can think those great thoughts and he can he can set up all these things he wants to do to encourage people make them feel good about themselves, and then ultimately it's coach beard that backs him up and says, Yep, you're right, and then everybody else can be like Oh, yeah, he is right. You know what I mean. So I feel like that was such an important character to make Ted so effective as a leader. Always makes me think of that for whatever reason. You know, it's just this is a perfect fit. Yeah, they did. They complimented each other really, really well, and I just I don't know, he had just these one liners. We're like even Ted who's he's a good foil for Ted too, because even though they compliment each other, you know, ted so steadfast in his philosophy of not caring about winning and wanting to just make change here and make them better people that it gets to a point where he's like no, coach Beard Says No, like it is about winning, like if we don't win, you know where we're lost. And it takes it takes a while, but ted eventually comes around. To seeing that and knowing that like, okay, it's it's okay for me to sort of change my philosophy sometimes, like he still holds fast to that overwhelmingly positive attitude and he still wants to make the most amount of effective change possible, but sometimes compromises okay. I think the big difference and how they made that make sense with his character to is the fact that he is in America, He's coaching college football and when he goes over to England he's coaching professionals, adults, and so the difference is, like it's not about in a way, it's always going to be about developing strong men, but at the same time that's way more applicable. We're talking about students that are, I think it's a division to school that he coaches at that it is we've got professionals who it's like, you know, their income relies on this. This is totally different. You know, we still want to make them, you know, better men first, but like they they need to win or else everything is threatened for their livelihood. So that's it's an interesting challenge to put him in because when he's such a pure representation of philosophy as a character and then he goes into the greatness of the world. That's the greatness of the world. Like you're not just free to only worry about what makes someone a better person. They've also got to make money, you know, and I think that's right interesting to insert that philosophy into the into the greatness of the real world. Yeah, and I love how he sort of builds up nate. Like the the relationship that he has with nate is probably one of my favorite in the show. Coach beard was a great character, but he really encourages nate to a point where nates more self confident and then we start to see that that positively impacts nates, you know, career and livelihood and everything just takes off for him from there. But I love that he gives nate the chance to have a voice where nate didn't have a voice before. Yeah, the the nats makes an interesting one to man because so I'm a big fan of Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughan movies. I love those two together. You know, wedding credits is phenomenal. But you know what one doesn't get enough love is the internship, which came out, I think, like two thousand and fifteen ish, and that's the one where they go and work at Google. Have you seen this movie or is this just I haven't, but I've heard of it. Okay. So the thing that makes them great as characters they in the movie. They placed two sales people who find themselves out of a job and they go to...

...work at Google. The thing that makes them so great at what they do is that when they're talking to other people, they get other people to believe in themselves first and from that they can sell them whatever they want. You know, and I think that it's just such a positive mindset to walk around the world trying to help other people believe in themselves. And I think I get that same exact vibe from someone like Ted Lasso where he's he is going to believe in you until you also do. You know what I mean? Even the character of Higgins, I think there's that great moment when the funniest moments the whole show is when Higgins makes a pun and says Caesar, you later, because they're supposed to have salads, and Ted last yeah, literally bursts back into the room and he's like yes, yes, I liked that joke. You know, I think that that's the kind of I think it takes. It takes a lot of willpower and a lot of strength to believe in people, because so many of us don't believe in ourselves, and so to take that extra step and say I'm going to believe in you so hard that it's going to be undeniable until you start doing it too, that's one of the most positive impacts you can have and it takes a lot of effort. Yeah, yeah, and to reference back to your point too about the dominoes falling earlier, that's something that we see sort of translate the like without Ted's direct influence, because as he starts interacting and making positive change, is with the team and with Higgins. You know, you've got the character of Rebecca, the owner of the club, who is going through all this personal strife that she's sort of just internalizing. But because Ted has infected higgins with this philosophy and Ted's infected Jamie's girlfriend, whose name on blanking on right now, key leely, he is so powerful in terms of like infecting those other people around him with the positivity that those characters then in turn start to influence Rebecca, and that's sort of what initially starts her character arc and her character development, and I think that's the power of somebody like Ted to be able to do that is exactly the type of leadership potential that you're talking about and the the sales potential that you're talking about, and I don't know, it was great. It was a great little positive positivity throughout. Yeah, I think it's cool, though, because, you know what, Ted Ted maybe the spark, but I think he, they as a character, was ready to do it too. Like, I don't think he has mentorship. Does he have mentorship moments with her? I don't think so. I think they're just friends. I think she already has that spirit to her, you know. So it's like that and it but it's like that. Everybody does, like everybody's ready, and then we add this spark in the mix and yeah, that's all it takes to to, you know, have everybody create a fire together and to a it's like it's like it takes a village for one person to believe in themselves, you know, and that's kind of what they all form and and I know that. So my wife, Andrea, she was really into she loves the character Keili specifically moments where she forces Rebecca to be accountable for her own actions. You know, I think that's massive. Yeah, that's a huge part of this show. Is like, it is like if you're not holding yourself accountable, which you should be, but you need people around you who will do it for you as well, you know, who could be like, you did something bad, it's time to fix it. Yeah, that that's that's huge. Man, I don't I don't know where all this wholesome TV is coming from lately. I feel like there's good philosophy going on in a lot of TV movies that I'm seeing come out recently, and I'm I'm getting behind it, I'm into it. It's good things happening. Yeah, it definitely is, and I think it's probably stemming from, you know, this post pandemic world. Honestly, I mean it's crazy to think that it's been almost a year that we've been, you know, sheltering in place, as it were, and that this sort of just like completely upended our lives. So I think, I think the pandemic is really played a lot into that. Obviously, I'm sure some of these shows were in development before the pandemic, even happened, but I think that they're taking more of a central focus and resonating with us more in a time where we haven't had that much positivity to look forward to. Yeah, I couldn't agree more, man. I mean, I think that's I think that's got to be a huge piece of this puzzle. Is People feel very, very stuck and sad and we but there's something in us we know that that's not how we're supposed to be. We know that's not how we're supposed to feel and we'll push through and that's what people always do. That's what I believe, at least I agree. The cream will rise right and, like you know, the good stuff's going to happen and and the the positive messages will...

...get through. It's the it's the concept that the only thing that destroys bad speech is better speech. Like we can't, we can't fight to make people become more positive. We just have to make the message of positivity so undeniable that it will it will spread and wipe out some of the negativity. This is going very deep. I didn't mean to do that. To know, that's all good. That's I love it. That that was powerful. That was like a nice little as a nice little blend of your show in my show right there. Darkness doesn't drive out darkness. It's very simple, so very old concept and I think, but I think that's a core element of this show to you know, and and even believing in someone who you think is as unsavable as like the character of Jamie Tart and all it really takes is a lot of time and a lot of effort, but eventually even he's going to, you know, figure it out. Yeah, I want to. I really hope that they dive more into his character arc in season two, which is apparently about a third of the way through filming right now. I think one of the Writers and Co creators just gave an interview. He's he's stuck in La everybody else is filming over in London and they're actually filming at one of the Premier Leagues. I don't know if it's like their practice field or what, but at one of the teams over their Crystal Palace, which they actually Richmond AFC plays, I'm sorry, AFC Richmond plays in the show. They're filming at that one of their fields and their stadium. But yeah, I'd love to see them develop the character of Jamie further, whether it's, you know, from a far from you know, since he's now on Manchester City, or if we see him somehow come back to AFC Richmond. I want them to develop him and turn them into more of like a Ted Lasso Junior, as it were. Yeah, man, I don't know what the what the future looks like for that character. I mean because he because that's the other thing the show does, is like you can't, you can't just bail on some parts of yourself that are in the darkness. You know those exist, but they are part of what makes you so strong. It's, I think, why I love the character of Roy Ken so much, because that's where you really see an example of someone who, because of his sort of darker mindset, that is what makes him a great player and that is what makes him a great leader. Even when he's having to correct people and make him act right, he uses violence to do it. He's like, all right, I'm going to fuck you up. Then, you know he had bus the dude. You know, it's like that is part of what makes him strong too. So I don't I don't know if Jamie can can just become all light I think he's still got to be a brat to be ay believe the yeah, he, he definitely does. You know, we explore that that background, that the story he gave him, the in the training room or the treatment room. And Yeah, I do think that darkness is as a big part of his character and his storyline and it's definitely not just going to disappear. But you know, he even said that sometimes he wonders if his mom is proud of him. And we can see, we can start to see the influence that Ted is having on him, especially after that final episode. So I wonder if he if he sort of, you know, catches himself from traveling down this dark path too late or, you know, early enough to to course correct. It's the same, you know, keyle. He's doing it too. She, I really even this just conversation has made me see her as like the other pillar of what's happening for everybody, because she interacts with all of those people and has just as much of an impact on them as head does. And she has a pillar and Jamie story too, because up till a certain point she was enabling his brattiness by responding to it, by by sort of just ignoring it, which is what he wanted, you know, and eventually she's like I'm done ignoring that. So I think she is another reason that he changes in that way too. But he's still kind of just as childish, but he doesn't have he doesn't have someone like her enabling that behavior anymore. You know. Yeah, the other character that I didn't even sort of think about in episode prep is the character of Sam, the Nigerian player. He, I think, is part of is part of Jamie's story. But I think, you know, Jamie and to a certain extent, Roy and NAT and really all of them are a part of Sam story as well, because here's this kid who got transferred there. He's got no family, they're all back home in Nigeria and he's lonely and he's a good player but he plays like Shit.

So, you know, they they kind of all help coax him into, you know, believing in himself and possibly even you know, and and he's got like this unbridled positivity as well that I think could possibly serve as another pillar for the team and for other people. You know, once he falls in line with Ted. Like you said, all you need is that one guy. So once Sam starts to fall in line, then we start to see Roy fall in a little bit after him, and then pretty soon we got the whole team. Yeah, he's also got a he's got a pair as well with Danny Rojas, the impossibly positive character who just yells his own name and football is life cost right, you know? It could couldn't be more opposite of Jamie Tart as a as a player, and that's what made him interesting too. But but yeah, there's there's a lot of people, I think that we're going to probably, I hope we would see more of in season two. Here's what I don't know, because I don't know the sport of soccer all that well, I really don't, but it didn't matter for the show. It's nice as like you don't have to be a soccer fan of love this show. You just have to like be interested in relationships and philosophy and those types of things, which I love. So what I'm curious about would be, in the actual world of a football, I should use the right term, what does happen once they get relegated, like is it Ted last so laid it out at the end of sort of like we're just going to win and then get back into this league. What actually happens? That's a good question. I'm not too sure. I I would imagine it's similar to, you know, what they do say in the show. They get like demoted to another league. But I'm not sure because I was on the Premier League's website earlier and they have like twenty clubs, but they seem to all be like consistent. It doesn't look like they, you know, are switching out clubs every every season. So I'm I'm not a hundred percent sure on that. I wonder if we've put like some of the interpersonal challenges behind and we need a new bad guy, and the bad guy is the actual challenge of like working their way back, you know what I mean? I feel like that could be the driving conflict as we move forward with the story because, like, not everything's been sorted by a lot got sorted, you know, a lot is in place now. That's that's true. I will probably see more of the fallout from Ted's personal decisions and his personal life, or at least I'd like to see that get explored a little bit more. Maybe learn where Rebecca's incredible singing voice came from, because that was was totally random. Yeah, but and I'm also wondering too, if if Ted's like panic attack, because we you know, as we said, he's a he's a flawed character, he's got a lot of personal issues just like any other human. I wonder if that because he didn't know what was going on. So it was very clearly as first panic attack. But I'm wondering if, you know, we might see more of that as well, like more of his personal struggle, because we don't really get into why he took this job thousand miles away from home, or I should say thousands of miles away from home, until, you know, maybe halfway through the season. So you know, we don't know that he's got this backstory and these personal struggles. So I really would hope that they explore that a little bit more than the ramifications of those a little bit more and see more of a flawed Ted Lasso. Yeah, I'm going to be unpopular for saying this, but sometimes with a show like this I don't want a second season. Like I feel like it landed in a place that I'm so happy with, because the entire point of the show was about like the world is complicated, but there's hope and that's exactly where it ended. You know, not everything's tied up, but there's just hope and there's good people trying. So I'm nervous man to watch a second season. But you know, if they if they bring the same brilliance that they brought to season one, I think, you know, they'll take us to good places. They have to. They have to. It's too it's too good of a of a team of storytellers to mess that up. I think. Yeah, I agree, and I think with Jason Sedakis, you know, I think that he has had this character in his head for so long. Long, I mean he came up with them in two thousand and thirteen and they started mulling around with the idea of a...

...ted lasts so like series, in two thousand and fifteen and then in the one interview I already said, you know, life just happened and they had to shelf it. So I think he I don't think Jason is done telling Ted Story. I think he has a lot that he still wants to flesh out with him and I think with the the team that he has behind him. You know, he's got one of the one of the CO creators of Scrubs, one of the CRO creators of how I met your mother, which, you know, even though the show ended the way it ended, I was still a fan of how I met your mother. I never made it to the ending, but I like the show, but I didn't make it all the way. I was just like, you know what I'm I'm I don't really care anymore. At a certain point I was like, how did he meet her? I don't know. Right, it has an end. Who is so? So? The mother winds up being, Oh Gosh, I forget her name, but it's this you know, it's this girl that gets introduced at either the end of season eight or the beginning of season nine, and it actually winds up becoming the kids mother. But then she gets sick and dies from like cancer, something like that. And right, it gets really dark. And then Ted realizes that he's been in love with Aunt Robin all along, and so the show ends with him, you know, running to Robbin's house and holding up like a blue French horn, just like in the first Sio. Okay, it's it's long and it's strawn out because and he uses the kids to just sort of say, Dad, you're in love with Aunt Robin. You've been. You know, every single story has been about any robin, little day, use x, Makina. They're really got out of that really WHOA, but tangled Webb and then said, AH, fuck it, we'll just go with the easiest answer. Yeah, it was. So I wasn't really happy with the ending, but the journey of that show was really fun and I think that's a lot of Ted's philosophy. It's to tie back in. It's it's the journey and it's the development and the the choices that you make along the way that shape who you are, not what the actual outcome is. Yes, the outcome plays apart and if it's not an outcome that you want, you have the choice to either wallow in that and sort of let that become you, or you can pick yourself up, dust yourself off, try again and fix it or get or be better or get the outcome that you actually want. Yeah, what was your thoughts on the the captain that Roy chose to replace him? And I'm forgetting the character's name and I feel bad about that. I think it was Isaiah. Isaiah, that sounds right. Yea, is either Isaiah or Isaac. What I loved was Nates, like roast sesh on on him in the locker room. But I actually did not see that coming, like at all. How many times have you watched through now? Have you seen it just through once, or maybe it was just it was just through once, but it was recently, so everything is still pretty fresh in my head. Okay, so I think that there is a difference in watching it through the second time, because the first time around I was surprised. I was like, why do you pick that guy? When you watch the second time and you know that's coming, you're watching for those moments and we actually see a lot of moments where that character is doing something in a leadership capacity and Roy notices. It happens a lot because you know he at the end he chalks it up to like, you know, keep throwing chairs at TV's like keeping mad. But I don't think that's the only reason he chose him. If there's another moment where they're watching their watching the iron giant, and it's really subtle, but you see, I think it is Isaiah. That sounds right to me. I'M gonna feel bad if you got that wrong. But we see another teammate like start texting on his phone and Isaiah looks at me. He's like put the phone down and Roy sees that. And so this just those little things you wouldn't notice that first time around, that when you're watching for them, you start to see those near like he's been he's been watching, like he's been putting a lot of thought into like who's next, and it's going to be you know that guy. So I think he could be another person that we could see some awesome things from in season two. But I at the same time I don't know what happens to Roy now. I have to assume he's got to stay in the show. I don't know if I missaged it in watching. If he's not the show. He's my favorite character right. But maybe he'll become part of the Richmond AFC or AC Rit why do I keep mixing it up? But maybe he comes, maybe he becomes part of the coaching staff. I could see that. I could see that. I could also see some humility of him staying a second stringer. I could see that as being important because it that's sort of the idea of like lead from behind, you know, and he he even talks about how he can push the first string team to do better by playing well as like a second stringer. have that thread of like, well, if somebody really good, you know, that could replace me right here. So I could see some of that lead from behind stuff too. I don't I really don't know, man. Yeah, it's a lot up in the air. And it's not just a second season that you got to be worried about, because, remember, they renewed it for a third season. Two. Oh No, way,...

...all right, right, that could be good. One of my favorite shows of all time is called detectorists. Is this little British show Mackenzie Crook and Toby Jones. It's another one of these like super wholesome Philisoph philosophical shows and I I they did it in three seasons and they were able to tie up a loose ends and I still liked it. I kept going the whole way. So, you know, maybe this show can can do it as well. I won't, I won't judge. Yeah, I hope that they do, because there's something to be said. I'm a huge, like Superhero, Comic Book Nerd and you know, we see a lot of those TV shows coming through and there's a lot to be said to be able to being able to tell a concise story, because it's got to be well written, you gotta tie up all your loose ends. And all these shows that just keep getting renewed, and I'm thinking specifically superheroes to but like even even to the extent of like gray's anatomy, like how much medical drama can you show? You know, there's I'd rather see a short, well written show with a definitive end. Then Ah man, they got renewed again. What are they going to talk about this time? And then them have feeling as though they have to like rush all their plot points in the last season. The only show that doesn't do it is sunny. It's always sunny to me. I don't care. Give me a hundred seasons, I'm fine with it right, you know. And but different shows have different intentions, I think. You know, I think that with a show like like this, you there needs to be an ending. But you've got shows like law and order Svu, where it's like yeah, people are watching that for the episode. And and that's the thing too, is like that's the difference between serial and episodic to you know. So like it's super podcasts, like you want to podcast to just go on forever because it's about the episode, not necessarily about the long story of where we're going. But you know there's an ending point and hopefully they hopefully they time it right because there is an ending. There has to be. Did you know that the pod fixed network, home of planthropology this week today, Creator's Code and more, has its own network podcast? Go wherever find podcast, a bound and look the pod fix present network highlights, interviews, round tables and more. All showcakes thing the ECLECTIC depth of pod fixed talent. So sub grab today pod fix presents on your podcast APP of choice and check us out at www dotcodi networkcom at pod fix on twitter and official underscore pod fixed on the Graham, the pod fix network, artist, own and love. So one of the one of the questions that I pose to you was whether or not you see AFC richmond sort of entering into the real world right, because we have. We have franchises like the mighty ducks that weren't created until there was the mighty ducks movie in one thousand nine hundred and eighty two. Two. The next year Disney bought into the NHL and created the mighty ducks of Vanheim. Hockey team. So that hockey team wouldn't be around unless there was the mighty ducks franchise. So and I don't I can't think of any other fictional sports team off the top of my head that is sort of created such a rally as AFC Richmond. And there's still a lot of people who haven't seen set last yeah, so it's sort of what are the odd what are the odds that you that they come into the real world, do you think? Well, it's not Disney, right, and I think Disney is. It's the same thing as keeping a show going forever, isn't it? It's in like a bow Burnham Song where he's like we're going to keep milking this cash cowtill it's till it stops spitting out money, you know, and that that's a very disney concept. I forget. I think that's his song about like pot. It's also apple. Yeah, but is it? I'm trying to think. I mean they do it with their hardware, for sure. Yeah, and I think I think Sony, actually Sony Pictures Television has the distribution rights to Ted. It's all interesting, all right, that that may change the game too. I don't know. Man, if they're classy, they they let it go, and I think that's the thing, as you can build long term viability by letting something go for a decade too, because you keep this cult following that becomes even stronger and people show shows to their kids or movies to their kids and it can become stronger. I mean, that's mighty ducks. It's got to be. What's going on now? Aren't they doing a new movie now? I don't know that all that well, but I'd say it's a new series on Disney plus. Yeah, it's yeah, it's like that. I think twenty years later, you know right. So sometimes, given things, time is good. The one thing I would think, though, would be like the comparison I can make is like sons of anarchy, because they developed an entire culture around an MC that doesn't exist and I see people wearing the sons of anarchy...

...patches and different things like that. If you're in the motorcycle world, it's a real thing. So you can build a culture around a fictional thing and then it becomes a part of the real world. Now, did they ever become a real football club? I don't know, but will we see merch from it? Yeah, I mean there's got all ready to be plenty of mercer absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I've seen some like etsy shops pop up and things like that. I think the closest thing that we have currently is, and you, being always sunny fan, you probably know this already, but rob mcalehaney and Ryan Reynolds bought like an ownership steak in Wrexham FC, I think it's called. So they actually have ownership stake in a football club across the pond, do they really? I don't even know like how or why, but I just I know that they have it. I don't think it's the premier league. I don't think it's a Premier League team, so it's got to be like one of the lower tiered ones. But yeah, I remember seeing that on on twitter sometime ago and I was just like really, but you know, they could rock a fake mustache just as good as Jason Sadakis. So you know, maybe. Well, I would have thought they would have done something more more philly based, but that's that's about your area, right. That's that's where you're at. So is there anything that they do locally that is like a part of because I know they had the one episode or Max shoots, shoots the goal, and I assume they did that in the actual what is it for hockey? It's not. Is it an arena? I don't I don't know enough about hockey. It's the arena. Yeah, I'm well, I mean Rink Calls Stadium. I don't think it's right. Yeah, I was, actually, I was. I was there for the filming of that crowd shot. He told we've obviously they didn't. Yeah, they didn't have they didn't have MAC or Charlie there. But yeah, I was in the crowd that day when they were filming. They become symbols of them community that they're like fictionally a part of, though you know it's in one way or another. Yeah, they really do. Trailer Park Boys is the thing I think of, because they didn't just they weren't just a Canadian show. They became like a symbol of Canada, like they had a massive impact on a national level. But I don't know if it's I don't know if it's the same thing as Americans making a show for Americans set in England. Right, what's the split on viewership like? Is it mostly being washed by Americans? are mostly being washed by British people. I don't actually know. I I'd have to imagine Americans, that'd be a pretty interesting statistic to look at just because, like I said, with Apple TV plus, I think like there's some of like the lower the like the lowest subscription rate. They don't apples not really releasing their numbers for it, but based on conjecture and speculation they're probably one of the lower tiered streaming services right now. But who knows? If they keep winning or if they keep getting nominated or winning gold nominated for and winning Golden Globes, then you never know. Yeah, man, and they certainly have the ability to. With the show like this, I mean it's you can't watch it and be drawn into it. I was thinking about, like I've always heard this with TV shows, the idea that they are a form of cultural hypnosis and like we enter into them and we're essentially being hypnotized as we're watching, with this guided imagery of a story that that imparts some wisdom to us. Right, and I feel like, having watched this show now a couple times through it, I got a different message each time, and when I talk to different people they got a different message too. So, like the I've heard people tell me like they really love the line about be a be a Goldfish rite the idea of like just I love that time to just move on from the bad things that happened. But and the first time around that I watched it, I thought the character of Roy can't was really calling out in a way that I needed at that time to whatever was happening out and remember. But that was something with me. And then the one that stuck out this time was, I think, a totally underrated scene and it's the darts scene when he's playing darts against Rebecca's ex husband and the line that he says is you know, the thing about people who always doubted me was that they weren't curious, and it's I won't spoil the scene in case you haven't seen it yet. It's one of the most badass moments of TV I've ever seen and the fact that it's done so calmly over a darts game. But the thing he's saying is beautiful and I love the idea of like, we need to be curious as people like. I think you and I both do that. I think I think people were podcasting do that a lot. I'm super curious when I'm meeting a new guest and a brand new person. Yeah, I think keeping that central is is huge for me right now. But what what things like stuck out to you that were like that's working in your life. Well, I...

...think a lot of me sort of resonated with the character of nate. You know, he's just like softspoken, really quiet, timid guy, but he actually has a lot of knowledge and a lot of insight in his head, but he's never been allowed or able to express it. And I'm not saying that I'm like, you know, rain man when it comes to sports or or literally anything, but I think I think it says a lot that Ted sort of enables him, you know when he asks him what his name is and he's like no, nobody's ever asked for my name before. You know, like it's done comedically, but he he lets nate have a voice and a lot of people, whether it's you know, whether it's corporate or whether it's just everyday people having everyday conversations, a lot of people don't let others be heard and I think that's what stuck out to me a lot throughout the series. Like I and I loved to when, you know, nate was slipping the letter under Ted's hotel door and Ted had sort of freaks out on him and has a moment like dude, what are you doing, like go to bed, it's past curfew, and then he he has the humility to be able to apologize to him and then have nate read that letter out loud and he's like scared Shitless, but then he does it and the confidence that he gains from that, as I sort of alluded to earlier, it's just it's so powerful and that's that's one of the messages that that really resonated with me throughout the show. Yeah, I can see that. I mean that that's like watching a person who's like got everything they need and then they just need enough to like bloom and that's yeah, that's all, Ted diddy. Just give him that little push and there. I mean, it's and it's really hard to like, you know, there's it's something that I struggle with in terms of letting myself speak up. So I like I resonated with nate a lot in that way. Like yeah, I do have thoughts and I do have things that I want to put out there, but you know, as I say, we're always our toughest critic, where our own worst critic, and if I ever had someone just to give me that little nudge, that little push to actually speak up and say those things, how would my life look different? Where would I be differently? So that's again, that's why I think I've resonated so much with nate. Yeah, we've all got up our own little Ted Lasso voice on our head, you know, like what would ted say to you? You know, but then it also, you know, the other thing about this show is that it's it definitely shows like you're not going to do it all by yourself. You're going to need good people around you and you're going to need to make sure you're surrounding yourself with the type of people who will believe in you. and and between both of those things, putting in that effort for yourself and finding the right crowd around you, you can, you know, be whatever it is you want to be. Yeah, man, and he don't get that from other shows. You know. You tell I was joking about being an albuquerque and watching breaking bad and that show just makes me sad. You know, it doesn't get doesn't give you that enlightening message so I really appreciate when a show comes along and does that. I think that's precisely what this one does. Like this I was thinking about, you know, everybody's got all these funny theories about like if you made everybody in the world do this one thing, you know, Joe Rogans big one is like if everybody just did mushrooms right, like, how would it? How would people change? How would they be nicer to each other? But sometimes I think you can be done through a TV show, and I think because, like I said, it's like a form of hypnosis. So it's like if everybody took on this hypnotic therapy of watching a show like Ted Lasso and putting that into their lives, that level of positivity, I think that would change people in a major way to you know, if they were open to it. That's wild that it's TV show could do that, but I think it's totally good. Yeah, I completely agree, and I think it goes back to sort of what like would the impact it that we see with Ted Lasso be the same if if it had premiered a year earlier or, you know, two years earlier or five? Let's let's track it all the way back to five years earlier when when Jason Originally had the concept for it. Like, we don't know, and that's but I do. I do see the merit in everybody being able, like everybody should get the opportunity to watch this, and that's why I think apple TV needs to be like on every single device that it possibly can be. Yeah, well, it's it's tricky. I mean your show deals with this,...

...right, the the streaming wars. So to me, I think that I always appreciate that there is competition that drives better and better things to be made. I'm going to sound terrible for saying this. Often the democratization of quality of this is a good show or this is good music or whatever, is a very good thing that people have the ability to input on what is what do we like? And then sometimes people don't always know what's good for him and crap becomes popular. I think you see that nowhere more than you see it in music, right. And so when we've got a million streaming platforms and now fucking paramount is going to have one to great, you know you're going to have a busy show, by the way, my dude, yeah, you're not so many subscriptions. But you know, the fact that everybody's spreading out in this way means that there's gonna be so much content to consume and I sometimes worry that the things that will rise up to the top are not going to be kind of what we all need or what's good for us. The tricky thing is, even as I say that, it's not like I think I know better. It's not like I think I could make the call of like not, this is what people need to see right now. I don't think anybody can do that. So I think there's no other choice besides the democratization and the widespreadedness of content. But at the end of the day, sometimes that can be a dangerous thing too. Yeah, it can be. I was reading a report that said most, like the average American probably only subscribes to about three of these streaming services on average. So when you figure most of them are probably subscribing to Netflix, most of them probably jumped onto Disney plus, and those are both pretty hefty monthly I think Netflix is up to fourteen dollars now. Yeah, and Disney plus, I don't even know what that is at this rate. Depends on if you do like the ESPN stuff to write with them. And Yeah, that's true, which I'm sure most people did. So okay, if they did the Hulu and ESPN bundle with Disney plus, that's another thirteen dollars a month. So that leaves room for one streaming service and you're probably just going to leave it at your Amazon prime subscription because that comes with prime video and you're probably just never going to use your Amazon prime video, although there's quality. There's quality stuff on there. And just watched it's a movie called the sound, or not the sound of metal, but sound of metal, with rihismmed, and it's all about a metal drummer who loses his hearing and how struggle, yeah, and how he struggles to adjust to that new life. It was really powerful and it was a beautiful ending, which I'm not going to spoil because I highly recommend you watch it. I'll put all it was it. Yeah, it was a great and it just everything from, and you would appreciate it to from a from a filming standpoint, because you do videos just the the sound design. You know, they filmed certain scenes to make it sound like the audience was also losing their hearing. So they got to sort of live through this character and hear what he was hearing, which really helped engage you more in the story. Yeah, people are going to make good stuff, you know. I mean there's going to be good stuff and it's going to be across all these platforms. It's just going to be really tricky to know what there is to do. I mean, I I a lot of times. I think I can't be the only person that does this. I guarantee this is universal. You're like, I have time to watch a movie, and you go and you look for a movie and and I'm often so goddamn overwhelmed by how many options there are that I'm just like, fuck it, I'm just going to watch some show I've already seen. Like, I don't I don't have the time to consider all of these things. It is really challenging how much content is now out there to be consumed. And you and I are part of the problem too, because we're making podcasts and I'm making radios left and right. I'm a part of the problem, but you know, we all want to be able to express ourselves and and as that content is growing, so are the eyes on it. I mean so is as the rest of the world gets hooked up to the Internet and Zuckerberg or Elon Musk gives us satellites and free Internet everywhere. I mean they're there are going to be more eyes for it. So it's not crazy to think that a massive amount of people are going to be watching things. But but I do think it's interesting when there's I think it's interesting when there's so much, when there's more and more opportunity out there, what starts to happen and how do how do we all respond to that? And can we have major cultural moments like fucking tiger king, where everybody just goes crazy for this show? I think it's going to get rare and rare and I think quite often producers are going to be chasing that instead of chasing like this show could change someone's...

...life, like this is a message, you know. It's just it's so gray, man, it's so gray. I think it's really important for everybody to to indulge in content that makes them better, even if that's challenging. The Nice thing about a show like Ted Lasso is it's not challenging. It is a delight to watch and that could make you a better person. You know. Yeah, that's the that's the golden stuff right there. And and I like the fact too, that it doesn't take itself too seriously. You know it it knows at face value what it is, which is, you know, trying to bring a positive message and with a little bit of humor, because like if they were just like in your face positive, you know, those are the kinds of, you know, people and messages that sometimes I just like tune out, just like the overly negative people, you know. So you so you need a blend of drama, blend of comedy and you know, to get your actual message to sink in, and I like that. I like that it's, you know, it's very surface like you know what it is. It knows what it is and it doesn't care, you know. Yeah, last I was just going to be Ted Lasso. Yeah, it's the beauty to me of everything being in the middle somewhere. You know, I very rarely like any opinion that's on the extreme of anything, and so when you've got something like Ted Lasso that is right in the middle. Here's what's dangerous about those, though, the things that are that are so great and they calm you down and they're going to make you a better person, whatever. They're not the things that inflame you to start tweeting about them, and unfortunately that's what gets the tension right now. Yeah, I don't know how we start to make the it's called the silent majority for a reason, so I don't know how we start to get the silent stuff in the middle, that's silent, beautiful stuff, to start being a loud because the stuff in the middle is like positivity and family and you don't need to fight with strangers on the Internet and everything's cool and generally we're going to be okay. You know, that's that even is sort of like to your point at that would be too that would be too positive. It's Ted lasts. I did not do that, you know, if found that middle ground between, like, I've got a great philosophy, but my life is super fucked up, you know. But I just I want to make that stuff in the middle loud. I think that's I think that's really important to get that out to people, especially as it just gets louder and louder with all this new content. Man. Yeah, well, I think you know, and to sort of segue into that, I think your show does a really good job of that, because I was listening to an episode the other day where you sort of said the same thing, that you know, you don't really hold extreme opinions. You're right in the middle and I think, like you, you being able to just contact a random stranger on the internet and say like Hey, like I'm in your town. You seem interesting. Do you want to be like? Yeah, everybody wants to talk about their life, you know, they want somebody to listen to them, and I think that that resonates so well with your guests. That and you always seem to find some sort of common ground with them. So I think I think shows like yours are incredible to actually, you know, give voice to the silent and jar already that and that's why I like that. Plus, I get a lot of inside I have like a running note going on my phone of like things that I have to look up because of your show or things that happen, things that I have to read, things that I have to watch. I'm like, I want to learn more about this. Thanks, man, I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean that's what I wanted from the show. Is that. The only reason for me to reach out to someone is, like, I think you're interesting. Nobody else gets to tell me what I think is interesting right. And what I have found is that as long as someone seems like like a cool person, which the majority of people are, and they have something they're passionate about, I have great conversations with them and we talk somewhat about the thing they do and then we find common around a million other places and a million other things to talk about, but very rarely. I mean that's why I believe in podcasting, because you're never going to sit down across from another human being and have a, you know, one to three hour conversation. I think I've gone as long as three or a little longer. Maybe you're never going to have that long of a conversation and like knock it along with someone like we don't want to do that. Is People. That's that's what I don't love is that that's what tweeting does to us. The tweeting could not be the further opposite of what I'm trying to do, because that the nuance of a real conversation with somebody where you see them in your interact with them for real and the context of everything they're saying. Everybody is just trying their best. No one wants to be a Dick. I think a few people want to be a dick, maybe, but you know, those are the ones I don't have on the show, I guess. Right, that's my one qualifier, I guess. So don't be in Dick. Yeah, don't be a Dick. Like people, most people just want to be cool and have a good time and you're able...

...to find a lot in common with people. So yeah, that's it's no surprise. I love a show like Ted Lasso, which is exactly that. Yeah, your shows, you know, your own version of biscuits with the boss. Yeah, it is. It is with a little with a little less neediness, I hope. Right. Right, BIS gets with the boss is very much like I'm going to work you until you like me. And you know I don't necessary. It's not required. The people in my show like me, but you know, generally we have a really good conversation. I don't think anybody doesn't like me from that show. So right, yeah, I good. Think so. You seem to have a good rapport with all your guests. Generally works out pretty well. Yeah. So, speaking of biscuits with the boss, I have a question here. Your your Ted Lasso. Okay, would you rather have every beverage replaced with tea for the rest of your life or have to give up biscuits for the rest of your life? You know, I think we don't know about Ted's propensity to eat sweets. He just makes them, that's true. So what you need to change? I think the question needs to be changed. needs to be or you can never bake for anybody again. Oh, okay, can you go with that, because that's an actual loss to Ted Lasso, you know. But I think he would be the type that would that would choose to make others happy first. So I think he'd bite the bullet and maybe to a fault, of allowing every beverage to bet before losing the ability to bake for other people, even if that would make him sound, because I think that's what he does. I think he I think he hurts himself to make other people happy sometimes. I think that's what we're going to find with his character. More that was a very serious answer to your Quelvin, but I liked it. I like it. We're diving into the mindset in the philosophy of Ted Lasso here. You just can't take his peanut butter away. I think that's the big one, right, don't ass gotta be a better open on the on the counter man. That's nasty. Yeah, no, I can't do it. All right. So would you rather be the best player on a horrible team like AFC Richmond, or would you rather be the worst player on a great team? Are you asking me? Yeah, you would you rather be Jamie Tart or, you know whoever, the worst player on AC Richard's shoot man? I'll admit all, own up to ego issues and say I'd rather be the star, because if you're the star and you do it right, you can bring everybody up with you. Very hard to do that if you're the worst player on a team and your sort of coattailing, and I think in that position you rely on other people to bring you along, and I'd rather not have to rely on other people but be able to bring something to them. So I'll opt for being a very different version of Jamie tart. Okay, I like that. I like that a lot. If you could pick one bit of like Ted Lasso, advice that you could either give or that stood out to you the most from this show, I'll let you go with either. What would it be. I think this time around it's going to be what I say in Earli. It's going to be be curious. The problem with people is that we make assumptions about everyone else around us, and I had issues with Matt my life. I've had, I think. I think Jiu Jitsu was a way through that. Weirdly, when people used to get stand offers with me, you know, a stranger would get stand offish with you, I used to become quite angry and I could see myself as someone who would get in a fight. Luckily I didn't. You know, I think you jets changed me in that way and I think the way Ted, last of puts that is like, instead of assuming that you know everything about someone's story, why don't you be curious enough to ask? And that has led me to have a lot less problems with people. And it doesn't mean that I can't be selected about who I spend my time with, but I'm just I'm more willing to to extend lots of chances to people. I guess. Yeah, I think they're early they want. That stuck out for me was the was the goldfish one. Yeah, it's it's a shortened version of like a originally a stoic philosophy. It's in Meditations Marcus arelius where he says he constantly says this. Sexual's kind of creepy, but he's like, eventually you're going to die and you'll either be remembered by some people for a while, but they'll also probably die or not, and then you'll just be dead. And it's very much like, Oh yeah, just take everything is dried, because it's all. It's all. We know where it ends. We know where this movie ends, because we we're not going to live forever and even a memory of us won't live forever. So worrying about what happened before stops you from owning what you actually own, which is the present. That's a that's I think that's the extent of version. I...

...feel like I wanted more nuance to the goldfish thing. I like it, I'd like it, but it didn't. It never landed with me because I always felt like is so it's to me. It's the concept of forgive it. It's supposed to be forgiven, forget, but I think if you forget you do yourself a disservice. Sometimes you need to forget and make peace with yeah, I don't know if I love the idea of like forget everything, you know, which is what a golfish actually does. You know, it's a it's a straight up fifty one dates, kind of ten second tom you know, vibe. But I still and I completely understand what he's going for. But I that's me because I love Threehour podcast where we find that nuance. I as opposed to what they have to do for TV, which is give it to me and in thirty minutes. You know right, thirty. Thirty minutes are less exactly, exactly. Another great movie, by the way. Yeah, yeah, that is a good one. I gotta, I got to Rewatch that one, all right. And so, as I kind of mentioned before, to Ted Lasso is up for two Golden Globes, the best musical comedy comedy series, because it's not a musical comedy at all, and the best TV actor in a musical or comedy series. So surprisingly most of these people are in streaming and the the contenders that it's up against his streaming. But for best musical or comedy series we've got Ted last so emily in Paris on Netflix, the flight attendant on HBO, Max the Great on Hulu, and Shit's creek. Who Do you think takes it? I have only seen two out of those options. I have seen Ted last so and Shit's creek. So, if those are my nominees, I think shit's creeks probably going to win it. I think they have way too much of a pull with the people right now. Yeah, I think and I don't think that's wrong. I think that's that's probably the right pick, if that's what the most people are are vibing on right now. But what I like about Ted Lasso as the new kid on the block. You know, I feel like what Ted Lasso did in season one is probably more than what Shit's creaked did in season what five? So I think so for me, Ted Lasso takes that because I have I haven't ever seen anything that did it like they did it. Yeah, and I would like to at least think to like for for the people who are watching the Golden Golden Globes who might not have seen Ted Lasso or might not have an apple TV plus subscription. You know, you like to think that they're going to show footage from the show, because they show footage from all the nominees, but hopefully it's enough to sort of get more people interested in watching Ted Lasso? Absolutely, absolutely so. So, in a sense they win anyway, right, yeah, they went. They win. To mean, no matter what I and I love Shit's creek to I just feel like, you know, that's always going to be a matter of personal preference. Award shows are so difficult, man, because everybody takes different things away from them. Yeah, so to be the authority on like Ah, this is the one, it's like kind of I guess. You know, yeah, but I I've never seen a show like Ted Lasso. All right, did you watch Queens Gambit since we last spoke? Of course watch and I read the book also. Nice. I liked your break down. I listen to your episode and you pointed out some things that bugged me, the differences between the book in the show. Specifically, the one, you know, what bugs me the most was can we just do Queens gamp it for two seconds? Absolutely, your shovel follow I have a follow up question to this. So that's okay, totally fine. The two things that bug me. Number One, the you can't call it anything other than a molestation, seen, even though the characters end up becoming close, and I think it's just confused out of lescence. That's rough. In the book it's a rough moment and that was curious to be missing from the show. I understand that you can't really do that with kid actors, but I felt like it was an interesting piece of the relationship. And the second one, dude, that bothers me a lot, was that I don't think in the show Beth harmon's rise back up from her dark place. In the show there's nothing to do with the fact that she starts working out and getting around people who have her like physically active, and I'm a huge proponent of being physical to fight yeah, things like depression, and so it really bothered me that we chose to just eliminate that part of the story because that part, to me, is the part that's like, this is your responsibility to take care of your body. She also in the book like she is the one who reaches out to people. In the show they all just sort of show up for her right like Joe Line just shows up, and I was like that what we're what we're missing from this is the responsible to say I'm fucked up, I need to call someone that can take care of me. And then the second piece is like she started fucking working out, dude, she started going to the gym. I mean that's that's huge. In the book it's a huge part of her recovery as a person and so bought those things bugged me, man, but I still love the show. Is Great.

Yeah, I agree with that. That was it, kind of because I've read the book after I watched the show. So like the incorporation. Well, first of all the getting to the law lest a scene, I was like, oh, that's different, but yeah, Hey, I'm kind of kind of glad. But to your point, I see how it that's like a major character development for Beth. It changes why Beth has a complicated relationship to sex, which she does the whole show. Yeah, that was obviously the first glaring difference. And then the working out scene, to I was like, Oh, like, that's that's cool and different, but like, did they just like throw that into the book? Because but obviously there's there's been studies that working out helps fight these things, helps fight depression, helps fight anxiety. Even you don't have to lift weights to do it. Just get outside, soak up some vitamin D go for a walk, you know, whatever the case might be. Massive massive part of the story to me. Am I am I imagining it, though, I because I haven't seen the show in a little bit. I didn't do a Rewatch, but wasn't there a scene where she and Joelne played squash together? Or am I just making that up? Yeah, they placed, they played squash. They played squash, but to me that's sort of like, you know, you can go and and play a sport as opposed to and then joeline. Listen, if someone wants to correct me, to find because I again. It's also been a minute. But and I was like you, I watched the show first, Notevera the book, but Joline was like studying physical education, like that's what she did, right in the in the book she's like a fucking bodybuilder. She's like a goddess man. And Yeah, that's a huge part of her story. So I felt like that was important and I feel like going and playing a squash game together, you know. Well, that wasn't the same as like you're going to start eating right and you're going to start lifting and you're going to start treating your body right. That that to me, was a different thing and I wish they'd been the show because it's I think it's an important message people need right now. I certainly made it before, you know. So, like anytime he's depressed, it's like, have I worked out in the last couple days? Like Oh, no, okay, I'm an idiot, and then I go work out and I feel a million times better. Yep, yeah, Hannah called, Hannah cales me on my shit constantly because, like they're all I'll be getting like in my feelings, as they say, and should be like, well, you haven't lifted in like two weeks, and I'm like you know what, you're right. Yeah, yeah, and then I go and, like said, it's a it's a light switch. It's like yeah, I feel better. Yeah, we need it, we need it. So I would have liked to see it in the show. But yeah, otherwise love the show in fact, and because I watched the show first, I didn't have any beef with it watching it. Yeah, so, I thought I thought I was great. Man. Well, what was your what was your question about it? The the follow up question ties back into Ted. It's who would who do you think would win a chess match? Coach beard or Beth Harmon? You gotta go Beth Harmon. I think it's very impressive. Coach beard can play chess in his head, you know, the same way he does. But you know he's not out there. If he could be out there beat in the Russian champ he would be, I think. Yeah, I think that's who he is a person to I think he wouldn't have ignored a gift of that sort of intense yeah, I agree. I loved that scene with the with his date and then when he flips out on Ted and she's just like that was the hottest thing I've ever said. Yeah, and he moves the other moves or chess piece with her other games she's playing and he's like she's been toying with you. It's so great. I think that. You know, I got the chess like the chestcom APP on my phone and you can actually play a virtual game against Beth harmon which is, you know, all that's cool, just part of the APP. I mean, sure, it's bullshit, but it's it's pretty fun. That is really neat all. Right. Well, Tyler, dude, thank you so much for agreeing to be on my podcast. I really appreciate it, of course, man, I had a lot of fun. Yeah, please, let the let the people know where they can find you, because you got a really great show that people that much like Ted Lasso, people definitely need to hear your content, so please let me know where they can find it. Yeah, I guess if you haven't shut me off yet, then you might like the show. It's called strangers worth meeting and it's available everywhere. PODCASTS are available and it's, like you said, it's just me traveling around the country like I do, meeting people, my wife and, if you're more just in the travel side of things, we have a brand. It's wild Hicksons, it's Hixso Ns and that's our VLOG and blog and all sorts, and I are podcast to where we talk about our travels and how we make it work. Is Full time our viers and that's kind of what we've been up to. But yeah, check it out. I'm on instagram at t Hicks and life, which I'm sure you'll tag and all this. So, yeah, seems silly to say it, but it's as yeah. So yeah, go, go check it out. If you want some more of me talking about very deep philosophy or very undeep topics as well, with just people who are cool all over the country. I've got cool episodes happening. I think I can give away people I haven't quite had on yet, because some things don't work out.

But I did just have on a dude who rode across the Atlantic fucking ocean. Very Interesting Guy, John Hanson, and I'm going to have more with Ross, more of the you know, marine science stuff, which is, yeah, pretty cool in the future. So rawesome. Yeah, he's Hilarious Dude. He's one of the funniest people I've ever met. He's just like, you cannot he's a he's like a real life Ted Lasso, because as soon as I met him he was like, Oh man, you're so cool, like what you do is so cool. You just he cannot stop the positivity out of that guy. And it's perfect because he works with kids and teaches them about marine science, so it makes complete sense. And he has a lot of pawns in his pocket to Oh yeah, he can't stop himself. He cannot. It's just if that's a shit's creek thing to man, you gotta Watch that show. By the way, I said the character of Ted on Shits Creek loves making animal puns, very much like my buddy Ross. So yeah, that's awesome. Check it out all right, man, cool. Well, again, thank you so much and I hope you and Andrew enjoy the rest of Albuquerque. Thanks, man, cash later.

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