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Chilling with Extraction Fight Coordinator - Michael Lehr

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

On this week's episode, I got the opportunity to chat with stuntman and fight coordinator, Michael Lehr. Michael is no stranger to the stunt world, having worked on notable projects like John Wick 2 & 3, Logan, Fate of the Furious, and many more. In our chat, we discuss: 

  • His role as Fight Coordinator on the Netflix film, Extraction 
  • Working with Chris Hemsworth and stunt legend, Sam Hargrave 
  • Stunt doubling Yoson An in Mulan for Disney+ 
  • His martial arts background and training

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What's going on guys, welcome back toPotflik and chill? As always, I am your host Andrew and we have a great showfor you today I got a chance to sit down and talk with stuntman and fightcoordinator, Michael Layer, who has a list of over seventy credits to hisstunting career. These roles include films such as John Wicke, two and three,the dect collector with Scott Atkins as well as fate of the furious and theupcoming furious nine film. Now we mainly talk about his fight coordinator,credit on last year's Netflix action, film extraction, starn Chris Hemsworth.We talk about his sunt, doubling role on the Disney plus film move Lon, andwe get into our shared interest in working out and are shared backgroundof martial arts before we get started in this interview feel free to hitsubscribe wherever you're listening to this podcast or watching, because it'snow on Youtube and make sure you stay notified for when we drop futureepisodes until then. I hope you guys enjoy this interview with Michael Layr. What's going on Michael, how are youyouing all right man? How are you brother, I'm doing all right? Is itNice there in Hawaii? It's gorgeous is absolutely fantastic yeah, it's sort oflike a weird, almost like a paid vacation working at and no complaints there in in Jersey,where I'm at right. Now it's about forty five degrees. So Oh man, Iremember that weather yeah for sure, like I lived in Ohio for like elevenyears in the whole Oou, the whole winters would just go bungers. It'ssuper super cold, so I can't imagine how bad it is further northeast yeah,it's pretty bad and you're in La now, when you're, not in when you're, notshooting, typically yeah, which is okay outside of covid times, is very rarefor me to be back at home for Exenan prentod time but yeah. I was able to bein La last year for like six months uninterrupted, which was pretty youknow. Obviously it's in terrible circumstances, but it you know it wasnice to sort of be home for once, and you know experience California wheatheryeah. That is, that is pretty neat. So streaming is kind of like at an Al TimeHigh, especially with as you mentione covid times in the pandemic, andeverything like that and you actually were pretty lucky to be part of one ofwhat I think is one of the biggest streaming films last year, which wasextraction storing Chris Himsworth. Can you talk a little bit about yourexperience on that? I know you were the fight coordinator, but just walk methrough what that film was like and what you did sort of day today, yeahyeah it was. It was super cool that was like a really big. I was realdyflattered when the asked me to come and do that. Oh my Gosh wheas this thatthat is my cat, Mr Bond. He hates he hates whenever I'm like talking to aCapera, so he'll just hop right up into my Lif Heis. So little it's so hute. Idon't know this yeah. We got him. He was seven months old. Wegot him from the rescue shelter, Oh yeah, so we got him right afterChristmas and he's he's been great. He was really shy at first and now he'slike he begs for attention like a dog yeah. I'm will in the bet that evrytime you do one of these videos. If he pops up it's for a steel, show, it'sGointo be amazing. It's like I love when they're like you now. I watch likeYoudu channels and stuff fore like people are doing these kinds of youknow, interviews or they're, just like you know, walking doing their own thingand if they ever have pets and they just randomly jump into the shot. It'syou see the whole thing doerail for like thirty seconds, and it's great, Ilove it. I live the deat, so it's aaplly, the star of the star of thisvideo will be, will be bond all right so back to ouraction sorryyeah, the you're fine yeah it was. It was a really cool opportunity. I wassuper stoke to do it. It was like kind of my first job is like the sole fight coordinator,right out the gate and for the entire run of it on a big feature, especiallywith you know, the team that was running that show an you know. You gotlike Sam Hargrade, making his Mann e Directal e dBW, and you know he's likea stunt legend. You know it's like one of those gings where he'd been in thethe industy for so long and a lot of us. You know we all knew him like growinguveere like watching him and stuff like trying to see how he was doing stuffand him with like a lot of the guys on...

...this team and everything so yeah I was, it was super blessed to beable to go win on that one. What I can say about is that it was. It was a lotof work. It was. It was very, very hard. You know I mean it's you're shootingover in, like other countries for a long period of time, and it almost feltlike an ind project that sometimes you know, because, like you're watchingyour director literally take the camera and do a bunch of stuff and you're justhanging out with a lot of buddies and you'r Cro grapphing, all these crazyfights and stuff, but yeah a lot of it was I'd, see movies like that trethey'rebuilt on the backs of people who are? U Ow, really passionate, who put a lot ofenergy into it, because there's there's a pretty simple premise: o that film.You know it's almost like something like akin to like the raid or whatever.where o you set up ar premise at the beginning movie, you watch, it run allthe way forward and if the action doesn't work like the, I don't thinkthe film really works. You know it's like Ye. You get lucky with thosethings. If you have people like Chris Hemsworth whou can pull off all theaction very very easily. You know it's like. He was bizarrely good at thatcorography. Like you see him, his tore obviously, and like he's, got a lot ofyou know physical, like coordination, and he can handle action, but theSUPFFOR axtraction. He picked it up so quick within like two takes, he wouldhave everything memorized and so it made you know, yeah, like training andrehearsing with them, just very, very cool. You know, and I guess I wasn't too worried about howthe performances would be when we actually started shooting it. I waslike this is going to look really good, so I'm not too stressed about thiswholle thing you know I's a lot of, but it was. It was a lot of work in. Youknow like what I would say like the right way. You know it's like you're,just with your buddies and you're making cool stuff and having a ball soyeah, I really enjoyed it. I'm on it. That's awesome, yeah! I remember Ifollow Sam on Instagram and that's how you and I actually connected, and itwas crazy, seeing literally he's attached to the front of the car justlike filming and all the he posted rehearsal footage of you guys goingthrough th the stunts and the coordination, and it was like it wasjust like a dance. It was really. It was really well done, and I thinkthat's what I. What made me appreciate that film, so much like you said, iskind of like an Indi project, but, like the action sequences were just perfect,yeah S, it's a lot of guys kind of getting together and being on the samepage, and really you know, having sort of a singular vision- and you know likeSam- was really good about that, like his vision for the action and we allthe fact that we all trusted him an we all knew that you know he was going to. You know, be able to bring this a lifeand make it fun and exciting. You know you look at his breadth of work a andit's one of those things where, when he tells you like okay, we we're going todo a big wanter, like I think in the script. If I remember correctly aboutthat big wonder, sequency end of the first act is it's not written to belike a one take sequence, it's basically written as like these things,sort of happend, the general idea of it, but it's almost like when you read a scriptand it just says, and then they fight and then it's like the end of likedrunken master two or something ee like yeah. They fight they fight, F, R, likeseven and a half minutes like that's, that's not a screenwriting thing.That's Youur, chorography team. Your action design is like going off thechain with the end with that that big, wanner and extraction like when theytold me that that was what they were going to do. I was like Oh yeah, I'mdown, you know you look at the work that they done with wonners before,like you w so like atomic blonde. You know that whole sequence, Ot the end,is still fantastic, so I was like it's one of the greatest ones yeah. You knowfor me. That was like a I keep I've Seid it in like other interviews to,but it's almost like stun legacy type stuff like where yeah. If I can saythat I was part of that, I thought people you know at the time, especiallyI was like I feel, like people are going to be talking about this one fora while. So I really s kind of savored the ability, the the opportunity readerto just kind of be a part of it and yeah. You just know it's going to end upbeing pretty good and pretty cool. So you know you can walk in there withconfidence and just your job, that's great. How long did it actuallytake you to develop that onner and was it like just you or was it you and alike a bunch of other people? I mean I played like a role in it, but you knowobviously like the whole thing was. It was Sam's vision. You know and thewhole team kind of you know it all trickles down from there. You know hehas his idea for then we're all trying...

...to help him. You know find those spotswhich could happen, but for the most part I feel like he, he more or less like had it in his head,almost from the get go like a lot of those things are dictated by the the set design and things like that,which you know we were shooting on actual locations for most of it likeI don't think any of it was done on stages. So you know you have to makesure that everything sort of fits and blends in because there's times when,like you're in one location, that camerol will whip pan and it goes to acompletely different building. But you know they've gone through this door andnow it's a different building or it's but itsupposed to be the same one, butit's totally different different. You know location, my Gosh and so you're,trying to plan how those things you know geographically kind of work witheach other to justify everything. I mean er, allands up being like sort ofseemless in ot works and Plos together, especially with like car chase andstuff ending in different areas of the city and what have you but the prep for that actually started.That was the first thing that we started tackling like. I remembergetting the phone calle for it. I was strangely this ironeviones. I was inHawaii working on Fio when again Stevens the coordinator called me up.You know: I'd worked with him on Logan and like Riefy and battle angel like Iknow, I'd Workh with them a whole bunch times, and he was saying hey. So I went you to come bicordingthis thing you know if Youd be down, but you know we're going to get startedlike pretty soon so like in September, like literally like a few weeksafterwards, we were already prepping in Los Angeles working on the sequence,and we knew right away that the thing was the waneris going to be coming up.Like that's the first thing that we're going to really start tackling, so itwas a more about getting all the fight stuff even like when we're in LosAngeles, Fhem we're like putting boxes down to like simulate the hallways, wesort of know what the land of the place I going t because they scottered ityeah, but you don't know exactlyy mention so you're still sort ofguessing. You don't know, what's really possible with the camera yet as far asmoving around and things are going to always change, but when we, you knowwhen we started shooting over previsualization stuff and Sam had achance to look at it. You know they. They were very good about letting usknow like okay. Well, this is the direction you have to go, because thisis going to happen over here ETCEC, but for the most part the structure of itwas was very much in the beginning, like we knew exactly werer, we weregoing to be transitioning to things. We should know how it was all going toflow together, and so we got. We got started working on that right away, butthat wanter definitely was was, I think it was probably like. I could be getting it wrong, but I woulwant to say it was something like a month and a half a prep just for that, like we shot, we prepped it in La thanwe prepped it overseas, and then we prempted like on location like we wereon stages and we're doing it on location. You know like that bighighfall, that they do where they come out the over the balcony on the AudiyUNTEL. He down hit the truck and hit the street and get up a nice fight inthe streets that that whole stunt had to be rehearsed and prep, and you knowyou have to set up how the camera is going to go over the railing and falldown with them and everything all that stuff is very, very like introgatelyplan. You know to make sure it's all you know like safe, but then also likelooks good. You know vigually and, like it's asthepically, pleasing to Sertethe action yeah I debitely took too quite a while and then I think it waslike either it was. It was either three or four weeks of like shooting just onthat sequence, because there's there's cars and there's explosions and thenthere's you know like all the fights and everything that happened. Hi beentspots, sure yeah. It was a lot. It was dembly a lot yeah, but but, as you said,you can tell sort of how much work and how much breath that you guys put intoit because the finished product was absolutely in. I don't understand howit didn't win the favorite action movie for two thousand and twenty honestly,because you guys put in a lot of work. I feel like in terms of streaming. Theonly other one that Ma might have come close was the old guard D d. Did yousee that one? I did? I did yeah. Actually. I know a lot of the guys thatthat worked on that ohreally, because it's lone of those guys re from theeight even eleven action design team, Anto, they're, okaye they're, just topsyou kno'e been working with those guys for years. Since John, we to and theyreactually even sit before that now I think about it, and they they were. Imean they just have a very good system, for they know how to get a movie tohave good action, there's just a whole...

...process of where they understand how to train the actors.Hey understand how to you know, get the right set up for all the shots andeverything I had to serve the director and it's just fantastic stuff. So yeah,I thought I thought theold Gard was really cool. You know it was definitelya wild like a lot there', some wild concept, stuff happening in Theyeah toand you're telling the story and those kinds of movies through the actionwhich I think is always the fun challenge of it. You know it's like every reaction. Piece is still a pieceof the narrative you know, and if it's just action foraction Sake, then itsort of dies. You know so yeah, as is a little bit yeah. The stakes aren'tthere, but the old guard. They did a really good job of like keeping thathigh and, of course he got someone like Charle's. You know that whole cast waslike they seemed like they were really down to just put the time in understandhow the action worked, and you know that's when you can see the payoffs init. You know something like you know like how Kona reevs does it in wick orlike how you know Hemsworth Git ing an extraction. You know they they put thetime in because they really cared and they it really does show you know oncamera. You can tell when an actor really like doing their own action so yeah, it's I've seen those behind thescenes. featurettes of Kiano training, withlike the Machato brothers, just like hours of Jujitsu and judo, and all thisother stuff like every single day. It's it's ridiculous. Yeah. I was there fora good portion of that on the second movie and Really Yeah watcing himwatchim go through there's actually like when we were working in that movie.There W's a guy named Eric Brown who's, good friend of mine, great great chorographer, a greataction designer incredible, martial artist. You knowused to be a profider and everything and he he spent a lot of time withKiano as well training him. I now I was there I wa sort of like his Uki. Youknow I was like a purple belt yeah just with the time, so I was letting them.You know like put submissions on me, nything and throw me around and Ericyou know I 's a fantastic marsial artist was was really really gettinghim good on the on the like the foundationary skills. You know so atthat point, at the end of like the training that they had done, you couldalmost have given Keando like a bluebelt or something because he wasjust so good. You know ' Goin to ask that's Awsome, just legitimately likeknew a bunch of stuff and it was so cool that is really cool. Now you bringup something that I wanted to ask you about your martial arts experience, soyou said you're you've trained in Jujitsu. Obviously, do you train inother martial arts and how like how active, are you in terms of likelearning new stuff, because obviously you're working all the time on film andTV series yeah, I'm not as active as I used to be in terms of like trying tolearn news of these days. I feel like I'm trying to hold on to the stuff thatI used to be good at but yeah my training. Originally, youknow when I first started training like as a teenager. We trained, I like a TICH window school,but it was very much like like a contemporary like almost in Ma mayschool. You know we were doing like all the pom say and stuff fere doing allthe forms, all the traditional stuff. But then you know fine kicks and boardbreaks and all that junk. But then you know like from my like my like greenbelt testing, Trak Wondo, we were doing like okay guilotime, like from the fromthe like someone, would shoot on you' have to sprawl pick them up Guiotinem,you know finish the submission ias. Like eautine escapes. You know we weredoing like beginning like knife and stick stuff for like Koli, and then youknow ere heavy, like in the end of the moid ty ste Dou, like leg shields nlike elbows and plums on guys, like throwing knees in the pad like yeah. Sothis is like Ticke window and I go to other take in nos scols and theyre likeyeah. No, we don't. We don't do that stuff! Well Punch, but like we don't dothat, we don't do any like clinchor, grapping or wrestling. You know soanyway, it was like sort of at that time. In, like the late, you know likelates, early Zand wr, where like hibertization of Mar Sarts, wouldbecome really popular. I digress a little bit like the point I gess intrying to make is that it set me on this path of thinking that there's nosort of like one style that you should really learn. You know everyone's goingto be. You want to make sure that the more slarts is sort of serving you. Youknow what I mean like you t not everas, going to be great at everything, so youtake sort of what works for you and for me I was like. I always love the ideaof like diversity. You know I grew up playing like video games and stuffyou're playing like street fight, Ernd you're, watching all these differenlikestyles and playing Seckin and...

...playing like mittle Commey, like I kindof just want to know all this stuff, so let me just go and like figure it out and that first school like really setme on that path. You know like where I could learn other things and not feellike I was. I was ruining soff I like to call myself like a a Jack of all trades master of none, maybe not even a decentead. A lot of stuff but yeah, I ended up with a few differentblack belts and different things, but yeah the I really love. You knowJiujitsu of Judo Colli. Obviously you know really really big on, like you know,just just in the Mac up in general, like Moitai wrestling, but you know Idid like couple witer for like three years in there and and that was likeSuper Fun. I did wooshe s like eight months and stuck hat it. So you knowthe. I Guess S as a stunt person when you start wi going into likecorographing fights the ideas that you want to be as diverse as possible,because you never know what what's going to serve you in that moment. Whatmakes make sense for those characters. You know it's. Some people can gettrapped into doing sort of just their own thing, but you know, if you look atit, no script I's going to be the same. No character is going to be the same,and you know you want to you want to make sure that you're tailoring it sothat the you know the actors, also like kind of have a a unique spinonet thatthey're comfortable with and you know, yeah it's wore all Bos Zan because,like you do the same thing too many times people get bored with it. Youknow that's why e we moved on from, like you know as great as JackieChannel was people eventually wanted to see like you know what jely did, whatDonny end did what you? No, when Tony John came, he took the whole scenes. Hehad these like weird eras of like a mar part stake over and you know and thetrend changes, and I guess our job is always be sort of at the forefoont ofthat trend, which is why you know having multiple black builts multiple.You know, like years of training, different disciplines really sort ofsurge. You in that, in that regard, yeah, it's almost like the the brucelymentality of you know, observing what you need and getting rid of everythingelse that doesn't make sense yeah. Even if letting it serve you exactly exactly now, did you get a chance to interactmuch with Donny enn on Mulan? No, actually so milanis great, because I doe like I was bad about it S. I think a lot ofpeople that I did more, that I did more stuff in it than I really did. I was, Ionly doubled the main like guy for at Yoson, for just the like three weeks ofthe reshoots that was in Los Angeles, its like the movie is basically alreadydone. They just wanted to add a few more things to it, and I came in anddubbwith them just for that scene and it was. He was so good at his ownaction that I almost I don't think I even like some of the stuff theycrearly were not going to use me for it was like yeah put Mike in there. Whathe'll do it just to be Safe Li? I was like I don't know this guy's reallygood, I'm not doing it any better than he is so right, right, yeah, but yeah that's like so. I think thethe you know, I you get the neat. The main o know actress like you who playedMulan and then I obviously that Mi my actor an some of the other casts, butno, I didn't get the chance to meet some of those big big names from theold Marsos community that I was. You know that I'm super stoked tat. Wellall say that, like Oh, I was like one degree a separation way like we were inthe movie at Oh man. I can die happy. I was in amovie where, like Donnyenn was in it like jete was in you know that kind ofstuff. You know so yeah. That is pretty cool. I do likethat. I still got my tinges crossed. You know someday hey, you never knowman so and that's the thing I noticed too, with a lot of, because I follow alot of stumf people on instagram. I think it's such a fascinatingprofession, one that I've like toyed with do I wantto do this. Do I not want to do this like because I I have a little bit of amartial arts background and I'd probably be really good at like bad guynumber one, but I just love the community aspect at howall of you guys seem to either know each other or ther. You guys reallysupport each other. I always see you sharing from sharing other people'sstories or posts or the work that they've done, and I think that's justsuch a neat part of the stunk community yeah communities, this sectonly. Thereason why I got into stunts honestly,...

...like I excuse me, I was like I went to school for theater to belike an ACTOT. You know what I mean I trained in acting before, even before I started doingmartial arts bact. The only reason I started doing mar wars was because youdidn't see many male Asian actors doing any acting unless they were also doinglike a jump kick of the same. You know hat I mean like it was just one ofthose things where Yeah I looked at all, which is pretty yeah. It's a shame,though, isn't it like? It is an I guess in a way, the silverlining of it is that it turned beyond to marsial. Ars Way more. You know thanI say have may been interested in. You know how I had. I not been persuingthat draft. You know it's all things sort of happen for a reason, I suppose,when you end up looking at it good or bad, but the yeah like when I, when I was trying toyou know, do my acting thing. In Los Angeles, like back in Mi den late, twohousand like two husand and seven tw thousas and eight th usand nine, I wasgetting a lot of roles like doing even like motion capture o something where Iwould be working with a lot of stunt people. You know I might have like afew scenes yer in there, but then I would also be doing some maction likemotion capture sort of has that where they want people who are kind of likeyou know, who can act a little bit, who are at least good physical actors? Butthen also people who are you know caable of doing like the fight stuff,and you know, whatnever stunts up is needed for those things. You knowbecause it's one thing to be someone who can like do a big flip, but then,if you also have the land and like act like you like a creature or somethinglike that, it's like, oh you know someone who's comfortable, doing thatas well. You know who's ging O got that that in the referencewarand, butbecause of then I kept meeting a lot more like son performers and I justsort of felt, like you know, drawn to the to that side of the community. Youknow it's like when you train t with them. There's that mentality of, like all right, so we're going to do likewe're going to work on me clips today and if someone comes and talks aboutdoing flip s like okay cool, let's go train hem and then, if you find it thatthey're like oh well, you know 'm, I used to do it Blah Blah Blah ou likeokay. So I guess you were a liter like I don't know, and then you know moststun people like if they say they can do something physically you're kind ofallowed to call them out on it. You know what I mean like if, especially ifyou're training with them and if they're, if they're full of it you kindof just brush into the side, you know that's the thing where, where not,everyone has to be like a Fenom, not everyone's going to be that person.That's doing like all the crazy. You know, moves and being all the hot spots,but you know even being like, like bad guy number one or in y case, likenumber nineteen or something down on the call. You know if you got to run inand like get hit. It's like you know, you're going to have to fall down.You're gon to you know. You can't really talk like a big game and if evenif you're movieis like I come in and I throw one spin kick and then the guypunches me in the face. You know if you get that job by saying. Oh, I'm, I'm alike a Ti Wendow like fifth degree, and I have al these Rahe kicks and thenthey watch you kick and you're, not doing it. They're like all right solike what's the deal with this guy, he just hand up getting black listedforever. You know it's just one of those things where people, just yourreputation, starts to suff, really bad. I like that about the stunk communitythat that you could hold people to their to their word. Like you know,it's it's like. I that respect aspect of martial arts,where you know, if you're going to say something you should be able to back itup. You know that's sure that was more alive and prevalent. I would say andstunt than what I was finding hanging around with a lot of the the actorsthat is with not that all actors are like that, but a lot of the ones that Iwas incoonoring. They weren't as as honest about their skill, sets s as Ifeel like some people were, and it's Osso, because you know their job is tosort of be be more. You know they have to appropriatethemselves o something, whereas, like some people, it's like you have veryspecific job. Come in you do these moves. You Fall Down, you're hired todo these things, and so you know yeah. You should be one hundred percent fullycompedent in those sorts of sorts of deals, but you know because of that,when you're in the gym, you're training with all these people, I mean you're,just spending hours and hours and hours like working with them and then you're, seeing them on sed. All thetime like what I would say about like with acting to is that you might becompeting for like one role against all these different people and you we. Iwant the the one guy that comes in and says the line or something even if it'slike to relines, and then you know this happens whatever, but you know thevillain could have there's a fight team...

...where, like the hero comes in andfights like, you know, twenty of the goons that the villain has and thenyou're sitting there with like nineteen of your buddies and there's not thatcompetition as much. You know it's like you're you're, counting on the factthat you're going to show up on the day and you're going to see all thesefamiliar faces, Ando be like Oh dude, like hey, I'm working in forever. LikeOh sit, what are you doing in the scene? Like you know an your and b just knoweach other, because you want sort of travel in packs and you're going tobump a new other all the time and that that to me is so fun and so cool aboutstunts, because you do sort of start to feel like you're, a big family. Youknow and- and I think everyone in the community sort of like understands thateven across like international borders, you know the people that I met onextraction like wee, we're still buddies. We still talking I'll, sendthe memes and what not all the time and if they saw something, call them. Ilike Oh dude, that was sick. Like can you teach me how to do that some dayyou know whatever yeah and then you're getting that kind of global networkbuilding up as you move along where yeah people that I I talkd to, or youknow finally meet in person like maybe after, like several years of followingthem, like I find out like oh they've watched like videos of me and stuff,and I'm like Oh man, cool like it's great, that we're finailgy getting themeet, even though we've never actually seen each other like fase the faceuntil just now so yeah, it's pretty cool a the Internet's really good aboutbringing that together. You know the Solale pedia aspect of it now yeah.Definitely I mean that's how, like I said, that's o you and I connected andthat's pretty cool yeah there you go now. You touched on a couple of things thatI had wanted to ask you in in terms of stunt fighting, becauseI've watched a couple videos. I also like to dabble in like film making and like videography, soI've actually filmed a fight scene for for a video that my fiancee and I did,and I learned a little bit about the theangles that you have to work with. Is there something like? Is there oneparticular part of filming a fight scene, that's harder for you or that'slike the most different than actual martial arts fighting or sparring yeah, one thing that sticks out y. WhatI'll say is that and I and of course I think I had to make the same jump toobut like if you train in, like real martial arts, a lot of timesyour sortof idea like contact and depending on how how you train to and stuff he, theidea of, like overwhelming someone or like countering someone etca EC,there's like a certain. I guess I a rhythm and like an intinct that goeswith like real martial arts. You know that even if you're just hitting mitslike there's a very specific way that you're sort of- and you just feel it ifyou're like you know, if you're doing it all the time. But if you take thatrhythm and you put it into like a fight scene, that's like coreograph, everyone,sort of knows what it's supposed to be. It has to move in conduction with thecamera. Pardon me, your rhythm can be totally awesometimes. You know, I think, a lot of a lot of what I'll give his advice to,like you know, sort of newer stunt, performers or people's you know justkind of coming into it, who have like a strong fightbackground is that it's all a dance n, you sort ofmentioned etterly that it's like everything's, addanced and like notonly just with the performers but also the camera, and you know if you're fast,if you're strong, those are all great qualities. It's just that you know somepeople can jump the gun and it's like hey that that punch was really greatbut, like we didn't see it because the camera wasn't even looking at you yetnd you're like Oh, you know it's like well how much wistenor wheth thecameras it's like. Well, that's an experience thing you sort of feel itout and e. You know it's about knowing when the right angle is going to be onit and things like filling the space. You know it's if it's two peoplefighting one person and like this person gets punched inthe head and thenI have like four beats with this person. It's like like I's, got like me, soincalled e. You know he's got agg on his face, he's not doing anything he's justegging out. You know it's like you got Hitdin the head once he has no nothingto do he's a like help. Me Liki'm, like reacting to the same punch. You knowit's like well, maybe that guy's Goin to be like okay. Well, why we're doingthis punch n? If I duck underneath this, maybe he throws like a kick. We calledit a ghost you know, so it's like it looks like they're still trying tofight so they're, not Jusitin, O going like Oh my head still, you know, butthey know that this person's completely occupied over here they just throw itwhen they know they have a chance to be...

...open, and it's just that feel of it inthe flow of it. You know. So when you start explaining at the people it'slike, Oh okay, cool. It really is more like a dance than it is a like a fight and that that dance illneed to be donewith a fight energy. You know, which is why you know real fighters. They canstill become really great performers. You know once you start start readinghim into that and like rehearsing him in the right way and training them, butthat should always be like the sole focus and I think some people it's. Itreally is two different hats. You Know Real Marshal, artsn and fake MartihalArts. You know, like Hollywood food it', you have to be good. I, like kind oftaking one head out, putting one head on and then be like allright cool. NowI know what I'm supposed to be doing here, but yeah that would be e the sort ofthe main aspect of it. Obviously, everything else kind of comes with withexperience, but I think it's you know they say practice makes perfect and thetruth is is that the right kind of practice will make perfect. You know so,if you're training with that mentality in mind of like okay, we're shootingthis thing, and we wanted to feel like a real fight, Seeng and so we're goingto use real fights and stuff in it. But we also know that it's totally fake. Solet's figure out a way to fool the audience to the right way. You know andyou're in the right ball park and that's that's a hard distinction.Sometimes you know, I think, that's that's a a thing that has to be talkedabout between. You know your action, designers and your directors, and youknow, obviously, if you're, if you're a filmmaking, you're a martial artistlike yourself, you know and you're getting kind of getting into that stuffand waing the crat something really cooland really special and make it sort of bistral and play t to the audience theright way. Then it it does take a lot of like thought and care and kind ofcoordinating a lot of moving pieces. You know between your performers andyour camera and you know lighting and sound and deedit and everything youknow. So it's that's yeah again, you're always you're always telling a storywith it. So you know making use of all the components of telling that story iswhere it really, you know, starts it shyine. It's were O'll, see people comeforward. As you know, Bi coordinated by Choographers, filmakers Etcer, that'sawesome! So have you ever accidentally punched or kicked somebody or GottenYourself Punche or kicked horinnthe times of time? I don't even know if Ican count them might be becbecause I got hit in the head, so Mesi. No! No!I'm just kidding. No, like you know, that's that's oneofthe things where we're with stunsan with fights. You know even like thesimplest stunt, which could just be like someone throwing a punch atsomebody or htever. You know your your job is a stunt performer and as a w oras a coordinate of any kind like we all have to mitigate the risk as much as wecan. You know we're trying O to funnal it down. To that way, there's not a lot of stuff that can go wrong, butthe truth is that there will always you can never completely destroy thatpossibility, there's always possibly that something could go. You know wrong,there's so many variables and that you know, even if it's something that youhave accounted for, it could still happen. You know I used to say that,like everything you know you can, you can do everything perfectly and it canstill go to crap. You know what I mean right and it's about having the rightpeople who can who can adjust to that moment. You know like in the middle ofit as well, but yeah if I've absolutely tagged.People and I've been teled by other people. You know some sometimes onaccident, sometimes on you know, purpose and stuff like that too. It'slike you know. Oh yeah you're, going to get hit by this one. It's going to besome positive, contect you're going to feel it, but then you have to preparefor it. Make sure that you know you're not just getting caught underwersgetting knock out or anything like that, but yeah yeah he tons of times and you'll.Do it even with your buddieslike, when you're rehearsing, like practice,fights or something like that, you'r shooting like out in a park or like anAdojo or something here's plat playing all this stuff and one o guys willaccidentally forget a beatand, then get hit in the Hend you're. Like Oh man, ithappens. You know we all just sort of accept that it's going to be the case.I tend to get hit in the Growin a lot somehow. I have no idea why it's justweird, it's weird but anytime, like something goes off 's. It's somehowheaded traight to my groin and that's like the worst is like you got Ta. Giveme like five minutes. I'M gonna be down for a bit and hard toit seethat. That's happened with me, butusually when I'm teaching my students, I can count quite a few times becausethey're all you know younger their kids yeah and they either just don't. Havethe flexibility to hit me in the stomach or they just don't care enough,and I've gotten tagged there quite a few times, I'm just like. I used to teach kids for years andKnowe yure talking about. There's like...

...this weird thing where, like whenthey're like a a certain age, Oy' like kind of right at the height where, liketheir face level, is like right at your belt and you're like yeah man, ifyou're sparring them and it's always going tohappen you're like sparring thekids like trying to peech them and stuff, and then you know, you're tryingyou're the black bilt and you're, making sure that you're you're likegiving them things to learn off of like okay. He you remember, you want toblock this thing until and at some point hey're going to they're going todo it and just at a Havit just whack hit you right back to like Hou, don't even have to be that strongor Jigt or noe to like herd. It's like you six year old, just blast you andyou're, like I'm, going to be down for a while, and everyone loves it.Everyone laughs, like all these kids laughing at you, while you're liketrolling on the floor like okay. I hope I hope no one else, aw that I just goteaten by it. I just got Ou pointed by his six year, Oll Im on the groundcrying now yeah. I actually did that. As a student. Now I started Marthal arswhen I was a little older as like eleven, but we were sparring and it wasone of the instructors. So I actually still maintaine a friendship with tothis day, but he and I were sparring and he was younger at the time. So hehad just gotten like frosted tips or something s like Orange, frost, yeahright. So somebody had come into the schooland said to him: Hey Jason, Nice, nice hair and he stopped sparring anddropped his hands. So I just threw a roundhouse kickright to his stomach andhe goes like just doffles over and everybody's just like laughing andpointing- and I just felt like the biggest ass I've seen that happen a whole bunch oftimes. I've been the person. That's that's done all three of those parts toso I totally feel like yeah it. But that's that's anothergreat thing like the same thing that you're talking about with the stuntingcommunity, I feel in the martial arts community because I started when I waseleven years old I trained up until I was about nineteen or so and then Istopped and I you know life happened, I moved away, I gained a ton of weight and I never went back and then maybe two years ago, at this point Ihad dropped all my weight. I had dropped close to eighty pounds, wand,yeah and I wound up going back to the KARATI school because I was like I wantto get the next belt. I say karate, but it it's ton Sudo that I tra yeah yeah.I feel yea it'sit showd o con from Korea, Yeah Right, righ Y, so I went back. I wanted to get my nextbelt, so I like rededicated myself to my training, and I said it was kind oflike a it filled, a gap that I didn't realize that I was missing because itwas just all these people that I hadn't seen in years. There were formerstudents who now were either the same rank as me or outranked me, but itdidn't matter because yeah, it is weird really Mar, but I've done otheel. I'vedone that to some of my instructors to Thau. So but it's just such a great communityand they didn't care that I was gone for ten years. They just were happythat I was back. You know, so it's a really cool community. I really likedthat about martial arts yeah. Definitely man, that's awesome! Goodfor you. I went to a similar weightlost thing when I was in high school, like II', been like slightly like kind of like depressed, like we moved away fromlike the place where I'd grown up and you owner military family and we gottransferred out to the middle of the country. where I you know, I didn'thave any friends all of a sudden. You know I was like it was like. I was liketwelve years old Nike over the course of twelve to fifteen. I gained so muchweight and then yeah. I remember the exact time when I looked in the mirrorand in June or when I was it was in high school. I was a freshman and I waslike that's weird. why Ar Mi school photos like I bought like a shirt forschool photos and stuff that Yeu yo were coming up and, like you know thatfirst month, where eithe're going to take class, boters or whatnot- and Iwas like why do I like? I bought this new shirt, but I feel like I look notgreat in it like. What's going on, I ws like looking in the Minn, I'm like, Oh,I think I light overweight. Now like Oh, I think I like. I completely lost my...

...like athletic sort of like youth, likeI feel like I look like like. I don't care about myself and soyeah like over the from fifteen. Sixteen like O hef course that year, Iremember running my first mile in gym class like that winter and it was likethink I finished with Lik a twelve thirty like I literally was like dying.I remember that ate, like walk th like half of it. I was like this is soembarrassing. Ou ow guys are just like lapping you on their third mile, likethis there or whatever, but yeah then that I ended up losing like sort oflike walking Dune from school. I lost like a ton of weight. I loss closedaround the same amount and I ended up like one like, like one thirty like atthe by the time summer break started and then Rando Mile, my during summerschool or whatever before M my sophomore year, and I think I ran itlike like an eight like a seven forty, five R, something tat close to eightminutes an I was like wow, that's weird, it's so much better when you're right,you know when you're good at it holing all this extra stuff. You know so you know thot's like Bonny Shamin, oneor anything like that. You know his Tis. I was definitely. I definitely becomeoverweight from just being sad and sitting around playing too many videogames and like not going out and exercising and stuff like eating the Ro,yeah, yeah and and it becomes a vicious cycleat some point to because for me specifically like you get upset thatyou're, like Oh man, I'm putting on all this weight yeah. But then you don't goto the gym or do anything to like sort of combat it, and it's just like likean and just gaind more weight and then ye sad and wha, and that's wheresomething like, like Morcharts, really helped me out a lot to bcause. You knowI was one of those guys where, if you told me to go to the gym, it justdidn't make sense to me at the time you know like nowadays, like I sort of loveit. You know I love on to the gym, because, U you can give yourself like afocal point, something that you got to work on. You know yeah for me, that wasmartial art initially, which was that it's very easy to be like okay,objectively, I want to get this kick down and there's all these technicalopponents to it and if I just practice practice practice, I'm going to get itright and then eventually that becomes your exercise and you don't evenrealize it. You sort of feel like you're just doing something to getbetter at it and then not Realizi, like Oh yeah, using my body for all thisstuff and it is pretty athletically demanding. So that's a huge part of mestaying in shape and getting in bettershape throughout the years waswas training. You know just trainim a butt off yeah and that's kind of the the otherquestion that I was going to ask you what is sort of your like nutrition orworkout routine. Look like these days, because I've seen you post like some,some like snacks and some baking stuff that you do on your instagram story.Man Yeah, but I was Bun. I was also curious as tolike I totally lost the question but yeah.Just like your workout reden and things yeah I mean I'm. I always consider itthat if you're a stunned performer, if you're in that tole thing, then you youowe its yourself. It's like your job to train. You know what I mean your job tobe athletic essentially and be able to you kN. Do the Skills Youre supposed todo so I'll, almost always. Try to get up andgo to the gym in the morning, if I missd too much in the morning, so I'mlike it wor, you know doing work or anything like that I'll at least golike in the afternoon or something like that. Obviously, like the gym is nowadaysjust like your apartment or your garage or whatever right or a park, we're yo.U Know six feet from everybody else or you know sometimes you're in like aplace where there's a safe gym. You know, if you have like a safe set upfor it, then you know by all means, but the yeah I'Lli'll spend at least atleast two to three hours, if not more, like you know doing just generalfitness stuff, and then you know I'll pick like a skill or something that Imight feel like really shady on. Like the other day, I was in the the hotelgym and there's some space out, so I just pulled my shoes off started. Doingmy kicks, I'm like. Oh you cool loike up for a minute straight, I'm going todo like randose kicks on EAC, side, roundhouse backstep. We ow round USbacks up round Os back sup a do it fuck a minute straight and then, like you,take theesy things rest in the next one is like backhick, good Bhat kick backit back. You jump back, kick over and overandover again just doing thosethings you know before you know like...

...twenty minutes, we've gone byand, yourthrowing, like you know, like Spin Hoe, kick not a bond like spinhook kick orwhatever switching sizes do the other way and what have you and it's thereason why I was doing. That was because I was like my kidks kind ofsuck. Now, like I feelt, like my kids, were GIN getting really bad. I couldjust feel lik like being Lazi Mike, I'm not flexible for some reason anymore,like I us O. I just took too much time off and I was working on like someother kind of like fitness stuff. So let me get that back. You know, thenI'll go through that, like in cycles, you get you kicks to a decent sage.After a while, okay now wo'rk on on, like someof, my grappling and whatnot,you know like do all these jujit Su drils ensea of these resting drills.What have you you know and for me that's kind ofalways. You know what it should be. Is that you, you know anyone can be ingood shape, but to be like kind of functionally fit for your jobspecifically, is also very important. You know, and so it's like kind of likeresearch, those skills, you no figure them out and then work an aspect ofthat almost all the time you know, even if it's just like a Jilly ta letterjunk or like you're hitting mic like you know, it's all stuff that you canuse to kind of get your skill set up high. I think for most people like youknow, beings is just more it's more important for health reasons, obviously,and the aesthetics an yeah for us. I think a lot of it is more about likeJackie chance did it in my stunts. You know he's like you know he, you knowyou have to be light. Y F be fast. You know you have o be able to be. You knowto do all of these techniques and stuff, it's great documentary, it's pretty oldnowadays, but I mean there's still some really good stuff in there. You Know Bak when we had access just ongyms. You know some of that stuff would be just going to the gym and throwingall your atrobatics. You know like I'm going to spend just the entire time youknow after I run and do some weights, but I spend like an hour straight justworking on variations of like backflips or sometimes just like falls. You knowlike you're, Goin ta have to reck and get the ground everything you do that amunch of times and that becomes your fitness and set to for me, that's whatI like to do is like to put those skill sets, along with the Exercise Regiment,so that way, itleast half of the time that I'm spending doing my exercise isspent working on like a technique that I know I'm going to use. You know likeon camera or like in training, somebodys or something you know justbrand new that you know you're trying to learn and get down which you knowwhen you're learning a new skill it did. It helps, helps a lot because you'relike you're again you're trying to really get it down fos your mind, soyou forget that you're doing all these reps and everything like that yeah asfar as diet, I'm pretty bad at that stuff. I try to be I a o e good as Ican, but for the most part I will, I will exercise and then be like allright cool. I got that out of the way now I can go eat this in and out, whichis right. Just what's going to happen like half the time. You know what Imean but yeah for the most part I try. I I try to keep it clairly. You knowhelp ye try to avoid like too many too many car, bloads and stuff ou know toomuch like red meat and everything, yeah, yeah, yeah and and I'm fairlydecent into like sumplements and stuff to you know like for like just getdoing like protein. CHAKES and whatnot is like one of the meals during the day.My getting older now and stuff too, is like the point where th metabolism isdefinitely like, slowed a lot from you know when I was I like my tties andeverything so just trying to be careful about that. But as far as the bakingstuff goes, I actually used to bake a lot. When I was like a like a kid, you know up through likemiddle school and everything like that, so it was a really cool hobby. I alwaysthought it would be like this. Its almost like science, like type things,I was a little nerd when I was a kid, so I loved like chemistry and like justlike anything that had to do with you know, mixing compounds together andwatching them become something else, and baking was sort of like that. It'slike a science experiment that you get to eat afterwards, which said that wascool and I'm like I'm sure this makes me very, very handsome and cool andstudly that everybody it's like you know than I jou with like a pie orsomething like what you can't bent anything you just you just have likepies everyerwhat's uvwith that but yeah I got back into it. Obviously, becausethe whole corn thing an been happening. I started watching that great BritishBaki Show Yeah and I was allyeah all right. It's sort of rejubenated o beinterest in it and while it can get very expensive to like try out newrecipes because you're buying ewingredients and then failing a lot ofthe time and then throwing I away, it was really fun so for a while that Iwas like kind of get back into it an and realize theres so much stuff- I youknow, didn't realize about it, but...

...that's that's sort of like a kind of acool hobby thing and trying to make those and then half thetime I'll just give that stuff to other people, because I right right, I Idon't need too many cakes in the house, if they're in the house, I'll, eat themand that'll be a problem, so I got to make sure I get that afto somebody else.I hear you I hear you now. Were you part of that the Sourdogh bred bakingphase of quarantine? Did you hit that at all no yeah? I didn't quite get in the wholebread thing just because you know there's e to like get like, prove itand everything like that like wait for it and stuff. I'm like very impatientlike a lot of the times, you know so feel that yeah, no, I didn't get tobecome to go into the whole bread thing because it just seems like thatrequires some real crastmanship te skill again when it comes to baking.While I love it, I'm most definitely a hack. So any of those photos that I putup are most likely it's one of those hey. I tried kind of kind of right, Ri,that's about as good as it's ever going to get so yeah. I didn't want tooverstep my bounds and SEP myself up or too much failure. My tongin o the breadreall. I hait. I probably I'll- probably try it at some point in timeduring this year and those esults Wi be spectacular, failures, ind, it makesure to post all those as well awesome awesome. I love it all right, so we talked a little bit about extraction.We talked to a lot of bit about martial arts and stunting and all that stuff. Idon't want to take up too too much of your time here. So I just want to do acouple. Rapid Fire questions sure what is your favorite kick to throw? Oh God, that's like such a that's likeasking like what a favorite child is. It's so hard to. Do you caviat you can you can tell me yourleast favorite. If you want because mine's a little kick, I hatehook kicks. Oh really, I don't have to hit flexibility to I'll say that if I throw a hook kickit's got to be a spinning back one trying to do a front leg hook. Kick Ihate them? Oh Man, you know what I I'm, maybe I'm a little bit old school aboutit. I just for the feel of it. I lovethrowing real leg side. Kick just high, really Sychic, nice and tight. You getthat clean chamber like knee to the chest, sort of thing when you're tryingto like yoldit up and it explode out. I mean I feel like that always looks.Super Cool and super powerful and, like you, can like kind of hit that posesomething like a like. A like a tornado cake. Oratever looksgreat and it's in motion. It's awesome a D and I love those things to death,but they are. They are like this thing, that's alwaysin motion, and so you can't really. You have to kind of pick a freeze moment,whereas a guy, a nice stiff sidekick when you just like hit it and hold itout there, like you, Coul, just e, you could hang out and make that a trophyof someone an handed to a kid of a tournament. It's like you know, that'sto me when I think about my old masters. That's like the thing that you alwayssee on the covers, like them doing the Tipe sidekicking, like some poor dudelike flying away from it as if he got wanch into the Air Yeahlattoto, the foot look so good. Youknow yeah, they are ver very pretty kicks. I do enjoy good sidekick. What are your thoughts on Cobrekai?Have you seen any of it? Ithin it's great. I haven't seen the third seasonyet, but I was prepared to not like a lot of theaspects of it just because I feel like when you take an old show and you haveit close off and you restart it. You run the risk of like sort of betraying a lot of the stuffyou can wret conodor, like you know, betray, like sort of the feeling thatthe rigaone left you with, and you can reset character arcs,because you have to start them over and have them come back again, but I'm abig fan of that show. I think they do such a good job. Bat, the storytellingof it and you know, kind of bringing the marsial arttomytthos and like howto approach it and stuff. Even in like a what we call, I jus traditionalmartial arts to a modern setting like contemporatyestuff because, obviously, like you know why don't they just do Endoma orsomething like that. You know like Theyin, eveyting round game or whateverit's it's like. Well, it's not the point, they're sort of introducing thewhole cratte aspect and it's weirdly nostalgic in a way. That's veryrefreshing, Hich, you know. As someone...

...who remembers the originals like, Ireally love that they've tried to update it and they done such a good jobwith it. I think that actin is really really great. Thig S, smartly writtenyeah, I'm a big fan of corput guy awesome, yeah season. Three was great.If you get a chance, oh no, I'm working or I'm going to big it for sure want toget the time absolutely. So what is one of the? What is one ofyour favorite shows to binch, whether its, whether it's like anoriginal series or film or you know whatever it doesn't even have to beNetflix. It could be like prime video, I don't Oh yeah besides the besides,the great British baking show yeah. Besidesthat one, the one that I binged a lot like back when it was on. I remember Ibeen bojack Horseman Hard every time that it everyday the day that it cameout was the day that I watched all of it and was immediately sad for the youknow, waiting for the next season to come out. Like I Grad not stop withthat one. It was fantastic. Okay, that's awesome, and if you could be part of like a bucketlest project foryou like what is one job, whether it's a stunt job or an acting job oranything. Well, you would want to be a part of there's like e, so many ofthose, but I would say that for me I feel, like I say I would say a lotlike that's anyway, but I'm just wearly wely, aware of it, but I've always been a huge trecky, a hugestar, Trak Fan my dad guy like watch him when I was a kid he indruced me toit and like since I was like five years old watch, all of them huge fan of like the next generationand everything, but I yeah. I definitely love the way that thatseries s has been updatind sof throughout the years and man I I beforeI die on the be on some star trek stuff en do so star Trek. I really reallylove. I really love that stuff, like no matter, no matter what it's in, whatregard it's going to be in, but yeah. I just want to be able to say that, andat least you know tell my my pops, like Hey, dad, like I'm doing star track andstuff because he' plip his lid yeah man put it out there in the universe. Youknow, yeah, that's really cool yeah, a indan right.Have you seen any of that discovery show that's on. I think it's on CBS allaccess. No, I actually know I work with one of the like the main AC actorated.Okay, that's one with the an right main actors in it anyway, if it's the one I'm thinking of, I canlook it up right now. I don't want I I don't want to say itwrong and be all like. Oh I'm, you struky, but I haven't. I don't know whothe people are in this new. Oh I just I just looked it up and itwas total y. It was totally right. Yeah the this girls Sinigua who's like th,the lead Oni yeah. I worked at here weirdly in like a theater show ages ago,and so it was like I troild Beas thing to see her like in this. You knowobviously like taking the helm on. I was like that's so cool. You know it'slike really really cool. I haven't to my shame. I haven't had the chance olike watch a whole bunch of it yet, but you know I'm. I thought it lookedpretty pretty sick from what I was you know seeing just in like clips andeverything yeah my dad's, a huge star, treck fan as well. I kind of fell onto the star wars sideof things, but I do I do appreciate Star Trek. Soi'll have to GIV it eview. I guess yeah. I said I was ahuge strekig and then I may just be a huge treky of like the older stuff. NowI think about it. ECAUSE, I feel like I immediately Li, did what I just saidabout it. Don't worry no judgment here, yeah, H and yeah no problem, and I am weirdlyaware of the fact that I say that's funny without actually laughing atthings. Sometimes so it just like you know e the wholeeveryone's got those little cach Ra that are always doing it's just you cantak your habit. You always pop them out so tell it tell everybody where theycan find you on social. If they want to...

...check out some of your stuff yeah, Imean I got my bacebook, although I don't check it quite as much, but myinstagram is handle is at art of Lejitsu Art of leg it Su. I don't knowhow to spell. Apparently I couldn't remember that, but yeah you a just findme on ter and then that's. I don't update too much you'll. If yousubscribe to that youust going to see some really bad baking things at somepoints, IA, Messit, yeah and I was- I was checking out yourYoutube Channel Two. You definitely got to put an updated stunt reel out there.Man, Oh last ones, fron, two thousand and sixteen I think toand Ixteen I've,that's a thing where we, this is a weird tangent but, like you know, issome performers. I feel like we're always in this constant process ofbecause you'll do a job and you'll do something you'll get a great gag on itand be like Oh cool lat's, going in the real and by the time, it's time to makea real like that thing has to come out like I really want to save. You knowlike I want to wait until that clip from Logan is ready and then I'll putit in my wheel to open it you're going to say that forever andthen all of the sudden, you relize you never update, and then at some point Ithe to Basi t update it and then nothing rightwhich is terrible. That'slike our business card. That's the that one of the main ways we get work islike. You should absolutely have Enoughda to real at all times, ifyou're putting out an old reel, it's like it Shou. It might be that, likethe reasons for that and had someone can't do anything anymore and I'm likeO, no, I'm like one of those guys who, like is like irresponsible, is n,uptayded stuff, but yeah. I really do need to do and plus and always liketrying to juggle what song to put to it a D. I have so many like choices andthen it just ends up dying because you know it's like with that. Like you havetoo many options, thend you end up not watching anything at all. You justbrows forever, so yeah well! Well, that's part of why I created thepodcast. I hope that, like by talking about some of these shows that are outthere on the streaming service, like somebody actually finds something thatthey want to watch and you know find their ne favorite film or their nextfavorite show yeah. THAT'S SMART! That's super cool yeah, but Idefinitely love to have you back, because we haven't even scratched thesurvice of like all the stuff that you've been in when I was when I wasprepping for this interview, and I pulled up your imdv page, I was likeall right. He's probably been like a couple things you know whatever, andthen I just see this long list of like seventy four different jobs. INM likewait, he's been in John Wick. He was in like the fast and furious movies. Likewe haven't even touched in, you said Logan. That was probably one of myfavorite xmen movies that came out. It was so well done. Oh yeah, that was athat was a big experience for me. That was a huge one. I talked a lot about itto this day, just because it sort of changed a lot of the way I feel aboutjust what we do in like or industry. You know, and- and it was I ju joked tothe buddy of mine- that you know Weusd t always say like. Oh once you like geton like a marvel film. You know for like a long time like you know, that'sthat's wher you've made it. You know like when you matced out on a marvelfilm. That'll, be it you know, you'll know, you've made it and LIK got.Obviously after Logan I was like and Makeit this up the end of my careerLiky. What a you talking about like there's, just run job that we had it'slike ggtdo, more work all the time, but but I remember going to the tell aweird stupid story about that so like well, you know I worked really reallyhard on logand. I was very very blessed to get into that, but it was verydemanding. It was very, very hard and I left a lot of myself on there, there'sa gag that I did for it where it's in the end. When he's he injects himselfand he comes running to Sart, spoiler ealder for Yone Ho hasn't seen thismovie. That came out two thousand and seventeen, but he right. He injectshimself. He preserked her barrages out like the one last time you know as theold logan basically and- and he just running through guys when he firstshows up there's a part where he kind of runs up a guy and spins around himand like slans thim on his neck, then kills him and that's that's me. You GotTom Instagram and see it is this we calle the Crucipix Slam. It's just thiscrazy thing. In my my buddy Steve Brown was the fight coordinator on it. Youknow he was like sor, the only guy that could who was you, know the the theright like body type and had the athletic an the get up there and do it.You know like we're our height, you, like your heights kind of, have tomatch in a certain weird way, and it just lined up that was. It was perfectlike that he could do it, so he sepped...

...in for basically that that gag andnailed me on it and man. It was a while and bute rehearse that so many times tomake sure that we, you know we could. We could pitch itto the to the directorand everything, and it made it to the film like the Final Cut, which wasamazing that, like something that starts at the beginning of a film inthe Sunt process, makes it Allen to the end and the fact that we got it. I wastelling him like to like. I want that gag like we rehearsed it, and it wasvery important to me that, like if w e'Reif it's going to be in there like,I want to be the guy that does it. You know it's kind of kind of a selfishthing, but you know I felt like Ihad left a lot of myself on that show, andI wanted to claim back a little bit of that too. You know by showing it off onCamerand, you know we did it and it was amazing,and then I went to like the the week et it released. I was in New York workingon the TV show and I went and saw by myself at this theater and I was likesuper stoked out. Actually, I might have seen it with like. No, I think Isalt with ha buddy but like he was not involved in the film industry, so itwas just kind of like ohc he's watching a movie, but we were watching it and Iwas like waiting for it and I'm like this is going to be such A. I wonder ifit's going to be in the film and then it happened and it was a huge slam andI was all like yes, I stood up. I was like yeah Mi cheer and like Knowong inthe theater carred, they were like what who's that crazy guy he's a vrety ladand I was like. Oh I'm GOIN NA sit back down. No one cares but yeah. It was like one of thoseweird moments were like it meant so much to me and like in the theater, islike I'm one of like fifty guys taking crazy, big wrecks, and it's likeeveryone elseis like way cooler than mine like a yeah, I'm still going to be proud of itand I think that's right indication in this industry in general. Just you knowwe all have to sort of pick our moments of being like proud, there's theres, agreat quote from from Nactor I'm Gon Na Missar ship Bi Titso. I won't even tryto remember who it was, but it said something like every every job you doessentially, is that you leave a little bit of your soul in there and every nowand then you'll get some of it. Bad, sometimes you'll get you'll getsomething back on a job and I felt like I poured a lot of it into that show andthen I felt like I didn't get too much ofthat back. I still felt like a given more than I received and when I sawthat move in theaters all of a sudden, like everything just felt right for amoment, I was like that's pretty sick. I got feel pretty good as a stunt mannow yeah. That is really confident. RESORD now do. Do you often watch a lotof your work like after it's finished you do you go back and watch the finishproduct I try to. Sometimes I, like you know if I'm on, like one day where Icome in and then I'm off like I sometimes I don't get to Catchit, butyou know it's a lot of times I'll. Try to watch because, like the cool thingis I'm like I'm an action movie like not. I just love action movies. So ifI'm in something, it's probably something that I'm going to want towatch later on anyway, just because it's an action film or something- andyou know I always get when I come on camera I'll- always be like. I shouldhave done that better, but then I'll watch all my other buddies and they'll.Do it and I'Llbe all like look how good they are. Sometimes it pulls you out ofthe moment because you go a d watch it you just see all the all your friendsand it yournw like like there's my Mondy. If, like the nine million timeit's like Oh yeah, I should be watching a story INSEAD, but I I tried to for sure, but I'd sayalmost every single time. I do. I just hit in criticizing myself tethe curse of the actor right. It'sprobably what I'm going to do when I go back and watch this interview, I'mprobably it'sit's the cruse of it. Anybody who who's really passionate I'dsay, I think most people who are really passionate about something they. Theyalways think of a way that they could have done it a little bit better. Youknow, so that's how it goes, though, standard up riting procedure.Absolutely well, Michael. I appreciate you coming on and taking the time tochat with me. I know we had a couple of rescheduling things to Comebat here,but yeah. That's on me AD. We apologize so thank tank, you for being paet withme now man, it's all good! I'm super glad that we actually had the chance tosit down and connect. This has been awesome, heck yeah she at a brother,yeah, no problem. Man All right well enjoy the rest of your trip, and I willtalk to you later. ABBLU wel catch on...

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